Moding gun for Film?

Dmaff06 · September 24th, 2011, 21:16

I am a director and have been hired to film a series of shorts for a Studio. I purchased some airsoft guns, some gas blow back and some electric. What i would like to know is if there is a way i can modify them to cycle through as if they were fireing (with the gas blowback actions and all) but not actually fire any type of bbs.

thank you for any help you may have for me

dan

AlLeBlanc · September 24th, 2011, 21:17

Just don't load them with BBs...

AngelusNex · September 24th, 2011, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlLeBlanc

Just don't load them with BBs...

that would still engage the slide catches on gbbs

You'd want to either wedge something in the magazine to hold it down or remove the spring and follower that push up the bbs (as the follower is what engages the slide catch). If you want GBBRs I suggest WE, they are cheap and have a lever that disables the bolt catch just for such occasions as this.

slink182 · September 24th, 2011, 21:31

The electrics will cycle without BBs in the mags.

The GBBs may require the slide locks to be modified to not actually catch the slide - most of them will lock back with an empty mag to mimic their real world counterparts. You may want to contact an airsoft gunsmith, such as Illusion, to see if this is possible.

Edit: AngelusNex may have provided you your answer. I wasn't aware of that method.

MaciekA · September 24th, 2011, 21:39

If you're talking to an airsoft gunsmith about dry firing guns for film purposes you might also want to look into seeing if you can bring the spring power down a bit or install sorbothane pads in the cylinders to improve the durability of your weapons during dry firing.

AngelusNex · September 24th, 2011, 21:41

If using AEGs he won't need to actually shoot them, the only thing they do when shot is spit bbs, remove the bbs and they are motionless props.

Cobrajr122 · September 24th, 2011, 21:49

Grab some KJW M4 GBBRs, the Mags allow dry fireing.

Dmaff06 · September 24th, 2011, 21:50

Thank you for all the comments. I am mostly focusing on the gas blowback Glock 17 and the Mac 11 gas blow back. on the mac 11 i lock the loading spring on the mag in the open position and it will fire for about 3 seconds then stop then i have to cock it again and it fires again. With the glock i can not lock the slider down, but I would like to be able to shoot it with and empty mag. Is there anything i have to modify on it to be able to do so?

Dmaff06 · September 24th, 2011, 21:53

Thank you very much i will check into all this that y'all have told me about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelusNex

that would still engage the slide catches on gbbs

You'd want to either wedge something in the magazine to hold it down or remove the spring and follower that push up the bbs (as the follower is what engages the slide catch). If you want GBBRs I suggest WE, they are cheap and have a lever that disables the bolt catch just for such occasions as this.

Pinard · September 24th, 2011, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmaff06

Thank you for all the comments. I am mostly focusing on the gas blowback Glock 17 and the Mac 11 gas blow back. on the mac 11 i lock the loading spring on the mag in the open position and it will fire for about 3 seconds then stop then i have to cock it again and it fires again. With the glock i can not lock the slider down, but I would like to be able to shoot it with and empty mag. Is there anything i have to modify on it to be able to do so?

take the mag, remove the spring that feeds the bbs, their is a follower on it that pushes the slide lock once their is no more BBs. Without this follower the slide will not lock back when mag is empty.

ShelledPants · September 25th, 2011, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinard

take the mag, remove the spring that feeds the bbs, their is a follower on it that pushes the slide lock once their is no more BBs. Without this follower the slide will not lock back when mag is empty.

This.

Amos · September 25th, 2011, 01:22

Remove the springs and followers from the magazines

Dmaff06 · September 25th, 2011, 01:26

thank you very much everyone for the suggestions, the guns did not come with manuals but i think it should be straight forward on how to remove said spring from the magazine Thank you again.

White_knight · September 25th, 2011, 01:28

also if you do not trust yourself to take apart gas mags. take a pice of 1" white cloth camera tape and roll it sticky side out until its thick enough to wedge above the follower. the adhesive/friction will stop it from going up. did this on set a few weeks ago, takes all of 5 seconds to do.

as for aegs' dont bother. the amount of modification required isnt worth it. trust me the camera wont register bolt movement that well, all you normally see is muzzle flare and smoke shell casings are mostly a blur. let alone the faster moving bolt. even 200fps the bolt only travels for 20~ frames. just dont go offspeed

fi3re · September 25th, 2011, 02:13

Those who think the need to dry fire is unnesessary for aegs in films, its actually quite important and benificial during filming that there is some distinct sound to register that the actor has fired a "shot"

this is for other actors (to know when they have been shot), editing, post effects (sound timing etc)

Interestingly enough I was part of a film shoot today that involved aeg's.

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September 24th, 2011, 21:16	#1
Dmaff06 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Middletown, Delaware, United states of america	Moding gun for Film? I am a director and have been hired to film a series of shorts for a Studio. I purchased some airsoft guns, some gas blow back and some electric. What i would like to know is if there is a way i can modify them to cycle through as if they were fireing (with the gas blowback actions and all) but not actually fire any type of bbs. thank you for any help you may have for me dan

September 24th, 2011, 21:49	#7
Cobrajr122 2 Cent Tactical Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NB	Grab some KJW M4 GBBRs, the Mags allow dry fireing. __________________ www.2centtac.com F i n d - a n - A g e - V e r i f i e r

September 25th, 2011, 01:22	#12
Amos Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Japan	Remove the springs and followers from the magazines __________________ Custom Builds: FA3674U Krinkov G3SD6

September 24th, 2011, 21:17	#2
AlLeBlanc Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Montréal	Just don't load them with BBs...

September 24th, 2011, 21:39	#5
MaciekA Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA	If you're talking to an airsoft gunsmith about dry firing guns for film purposes you might also want to look into seeing if you can bring the spring power down a bit or install sorbothane pads in the cylinders to improve the durability of your weapons during dry firing.

September 24th, 2011, 21:41	#6
AngelusNex formerly Sepulcrum Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kingston,ON, aka Funkasia	If using AEGs he won't need to actually shoot them, the only thing they do when shot is spit bbs, remove the bbs and they are motionless props.

September 24th, 2011, 21:50	#8
Dmaff06 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Middletown, Delaware, United states of america	Thank you for all the comments. I am mostly focusing on the gas blowback Glock 17 and the Mac 11 gas blow back. on the mac 11 i lock the loading spring on the mag in the open position and it will fire for about 3 seconds then stop then i have to cock it again and it fires again. With the glock i can not lock the slider down, but I would like to be able to shoot it with and empty mag. Is there anything i have to modify on it to be able to do so?

September 25th, 2011, 01:26	#13
Dmaff06 Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Middletown, Delaware, United states of america	thank you very much everyone for the suggestions, the guns did not come with manuals but i think it should be straight forward on how to remove said spring from the magazine Thank you again.

September 25th, 2011, 01:28	#14
White_knight Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006	also if you do not trust yourself to take apart gas mags. take a pice of 1" white cloth camera tape and roll it sticky side out until its thick enough to wedge above the follower. the adhesive/friction will stop it from going up. did this on set a few weeks ago, takes all of 5 seconds to do. as for aegs' dont bother. the amount of modification required isnt worth it. trust me the camera wont register bolt movement that well, all you normally see is muzzle flare and smoke shell casings are mostly a blur. let alone the faster moving bolt. even 200fps the bolt only travels for 20~ frames. just dont go offspeed __________________ Burnaby / Vancouver area Age verifier

September 25th, 2011, 02:13	#15
fi3re Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Tdot scarberia	Those who think the need to dry fire is unnesessary for aegs in films, its actually quite important and benificial during filming that there is some distinct sound to register that the actor has fired a "shot" this is for other actors (to know when they have been shot), editing, post effects (sound timing etc) Interestingly enough I was part of a film shoot today that involved aeg's.

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