GBB M4 Rifle / which one

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Shooting Addict

Also the most expensive and theirs is AFAIK only AK's(which sucks since i don't like AK's that much...)

Sky is the limit when it comes to Daytona gun custom works, if you have the time or money Justin can even do a toytec M134 to hum like a porn star

[sewktbk]

Originally Posted by pancakedestroyer

I'm finding full metal to be over rated when it comes to long arms. Paint is a great equalizer when it comes to making something that was transparent, not.
You can always go on a trek for a metal lower later on if you feel that you need one but people are starting to realize that not having a metal lower isn't the end of the world.
You'd also be surprised at how durable some of the semi and semi-clear lower receivers are.

I understand your point, but its really a matter of taste. Personnally, the realism of the gun i choose is one very important aspect. Having a plastic lower receiver, even if painted, would make me feel like i have a lower quality and less realistic gun.

[sewktbk]

i'm now strongly considering a WE PDW gbb rifle instead, i like how its more compact, makes it look more reliable i find. Plus since the gun is smaller, the kick seems to be a little stronger, which i like. and i'm guessing the quality is the same as the M4, seems to be pretty much the same platform, even takes M4 mags.

What y'all think?

[pancakedestroyer]

The Scar, m4/16, PDW all use the same WE m4 mag. Some of the PDWs come packaged with a PDW mag, those mags aren't compatible with any other WE gun except the PWD.
That said the PDW is a great little gun, kick is comparable to any of the other WE GBBRs and as for looking more reliable, looks don't tell you if a gun is reliable or not. I cannot speak on the reliability of the PDW itself but if it is anything like the scar and m4/16 series then it is going to be a well preforming unit.

One thing to take into account is that with a gas platform most people are going for the realism aspect of the unit. 30 round mags, the blow back from the gun, ect, You will most likely be out gunned if you aren't playing a milsim game.
Mid-caps hold around 170ish rounds and low-caps are 68-70. Not the greatest numbers to have stacked against you, it just means you have to pick your shots.

[sewktbk]

point taken for the low cap mags. But yes, as you say, i'm going for the realism.

Of course, i wasn't infering that i judge the reliability of the PDW on its looks, i was just making the point that it looks reliable. That along with the reviews i've read/seen, seems like a good choice.

[pancakedestroyer]

Solid choice, without question.

[m102404]

When I've used my rifle in skirmishes (just one larger one outdoors so far this season...indoors/CQB we shoot real cap) I don't find the 30rnd to be a handicap that cannot be overcome with thoughtful game-play. Most quick sets you rarely end up going through more than a couple of mags anyways.

You can't sit back and "rain" BBs onto someone...you just don't have enough ammo to last long doing that.

Best performance comes with semi-auto...so I tend to just double tap shots...and because you're not cutting loose a swarm of shots you tend to aim/pick your shots more carefully.

You can't trade shot for shot with someone not loaded real cap...at least not for long. You need to displace or else coordinate someone(s) else in to work things out.

All in all sounds like a win to me. But blazing away with thousands of rounds on tap (10 mags @ mid cap loads) is fun too.

Haven't seen it in person yet..but the Open Bolt vs Brass Tube use different feed lips and top seals. There'll be mag conversion kits too. I think we'll see a standard sort itself out soon.

[teriases]

I am planning to hop on the GBB train as well...

How are the WE M4 CQB 3rd gen Cansoft GBBs...? Does plastic receiver cause reliability problems?

Also, is it harder to maintain then say the WE pDWs?

[Eeyore]

Originally Posted by teriases

I am planning to hop on the GBB train as well...

How are the WE M4 CQB 3rd gen Cansoft GBBs...? Does plastic receiver cause reliability problems?

Also, is it harder to maintain then say the WE pDWs?

The maintanance for all of WE AR type rifles is pretty much the same. I suggest taking a look at the link in shelledpants sig. He made as really good write up on cleaning and general maintanance. And yes a plastic lower can be less reliable than a metal one. Many people have had the plastic receivers crack at the pivot point. Baker_Jeff sells replacment lowers for the cansoft versions. But you can eliminate this problem by getting a full metal one.

[teriases]

Originally Posted by Eeyore

The maintanance for all of WE AR type rifles is pretty much the same. I suggest taking a look at the link in shelledpants sig. He made as really good write up on cleaning and general maintanance. And yes a plastic lower can be less reliable than a metal one. Many people have had the plastic receivers crack at the pivot point. Baker_Jeff sells replacment lowers for the cansoft versions. But you can eliminate this problem by getting a full metal one.

Cool, thanks for the info Eeyore. I think I see one for sell which is full metal so maybe I will go with that one. But for PDW I did hear talks that its easier to work with as it disassembles pretty nicely into several major parts.

By the way... Does the PDW accept M4 parts like stocks or maybe grips? Or are all parts original parts?