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Old March 5th, 2014, 02:58   #1
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Exclamation Guide to PolarStar & Daytona Gun Air regulator systems

SAFETY FIRST!
Be sure to avoid getting oil on the fill valves of the tank, Getting oil in the fill valve will
cause the oil inside to detonate when you fill them. Similar to how ahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine
work.




This is what happens when you make that mistake.






HOW IT WORKS

There are many brands of tanks, a few brands for regulators, experimenting with tank/regulator often will yield more or less the same results, 80 PSI is still 80 PSI, whether you are farting into the airline or have it jerry rigged to a compressor, source of air does not matter, pressure and volume does.


( I made this picture myself, please don't steal it and post it everywhere )

The HPA air tanks have 3000PSI or 4500PSI inside, the in tank regulator will change that to a much lower number, 800PSI or whatever else the manufacturer decided to do. Your "primary" or "air rig" regulator is technically a second regulator, it lowers the 800PSI or whatever it maybe to a even lower psi. Airlines need to be rated for +140PSI as the average input for external air systems is 120PSI ( stock form ) the bore of the lines is best to be 6mm or higher, PSI & Volume are VERY important. In-tank regulators they are tank specific, 3000PSI regulators belong on 3000PSI tanks, 4500PSI on 4500PSI tanks, they say specifically what output PSI they give you, some are adjustable, some aren't, this one gives 450-800PSI. Although it is not required, it is recommended to stick to reputable air tank manufacturers, such as Ninja, or Guerilla Air, (specifically the TANK REGULATOR, the tank itself is somewhat inconsequential). Ninja is well known for good customer service and replacement of parts, and the QC and reliability on these tanks are relatively better than others. Ninja tanks have a somewhat higher resale value, especially in paintball compared to other tanks, and generally have consistent fast recharges, ensuring high ROF set ups do not choke. Ninja tank regulator are also customization and user rebuildable, allowing maintenance and cleaning of the reg, and adjustable location of the dial and fill valve.

"Air Rig" regulators have a max input pressure on them, do not put a tank that excedes its maximum rating. Output pressure will change only slightly when switching from a high pressure to low pressure tank or visa versa, small adjustments are needed to get the desired PSI output again. ( best to "rechrono" the gun as well ) <- Game hosts, this is for you

In-tank regulators can be found HERE








AIR RIG REGULATORS (PRIMARY REGULATORS)


Here is some specs for quick referencing

Redline Firebase
Maximum input 900PSI
Output 40PSI-140PSI
Vent PSI 140PSI -160 PSI
balance 9/10
Price $$$

Palmers Pursuit Regulator
Maximum input 1800PSI
Output 0PSI-750PSI
Vent does not have one.
balance 6/10
Price range $$$

Ninja LPR
Maximum input 1000PSI
Output 0PSI-160PSI
Vent 140PSI - 160PSI
balance 9/10
Price $$

Valken SLP Regulator
Maximum input 300PSI
Output 0-120PSI
Vent none.
balance 0/10 DON'T EVEN FUCKING TRY AND PUT A 800PSI OUTPUT ON THIS GUY!
Price $$

*** ONLY USE TANKS WITH SLP REGULATORS, MAXIMUM INPUT 300PSI ***

If you are building your own regulator, make sure that your input PSI is rated over 800PSI,
and its output is from 0PSI-140PSI, be sure to have burst discs incase of the regulator failure







EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD IS CAN BE VERIFIED THROUGH MANUFACTURER'S SERVICE MANUALS
EVERYTHING IS 100% UNBIASED, NOTHING IS BEING PROMOTED FOR PERSONAL GAIN.
THIS IS A GUIDE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEIR AIR SYSTEM.

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Old March 5th, 2014, 03:34   #2
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FAQ

1,
Q: If I buy the most expensive regulator does that mean its the best?

A: No, MRSP has no reflection on performance on product in this case.

2,
Q: Can I use a SLP tank with my redline?

A: Absolutely, the Redline is not balanced perfectly balanced so you will have to adjust the
regulator to get the same PSI again, ( the adjustment is very very minor )

3,
Q : CO2 tanks are cheaper, can I use them?

A : CO2 is less stable and when compressed is in a liquid state, CO2 as a liquid can
bypass regulators and destroy your polarstar or freeze all orings in your daytona gun system.

4,
Q: How does the CO2 bypass my regulator?

A: Due to the nature of airsoft, there is a lot of movement involved, jumping, going prone,
or bending over to pick something up can make the liquid CO2 seep into the the regulator
and then bypass the system and flow into your airlines.

5,
Q : Can I use the same rig I have setup for my Daytona on my Polarstar

A: Yes


Please note questions sent to my inbox will be publicly answered on this thread.
I will not however, release who asked the questions

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Nice read.

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Old March 26th, 2014, 18:30   #4
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I'll add some photos.. Owning both a Palmers and the new Ninja LPR. I'll be getting some photos of the RLFB Friday. I'm already loving the Ninja LPR, feels and looks quite similar to the redline.



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Palmers Pursuit Regulator






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Old August 6th, 2015, 17:42   #5
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I don't think the Valken is designed for 300psi input. More like 160psi.

Looks like pieced together kit with a SMC copied industrial reg that is designed for 160psi input from a industrial compressor. Possibly max input is 200psi rated. It also does not have overpressure protection.

Both Ninja and Redline are airsoft specific with overpressure protection and a proper tourney lock.

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Been out of HPA for a while, so here's my thoughts.

Have used the LPR, Palmers, and Redline. Seen the Valken when GBBR was bringing them into his shop way back last year, and they were crap.

LPR is a similar copy to the Redline, can't go wrong with either. Wouldn't bother with the Palmers.

For polarstar users this is an amazing innovation. $250.00 USD, with build in regulator, no line, no hassle. Small HPA tank will get you about 500 shots though. "Air Stock" by Redline





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Old August 6th, 2015, 19:42   #7
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Valken for for budget players. It is made of plastic and pot metal, unlike Redline and Ninja which is billet machined.

As for the Polarstar pic above, I like it. There is cheek rest now for it.

You will see both remote and on-gun set ups. High volume players will op for remote. I like the idea of on-gun, but not the limited shots, unless I carry an extra 13ci tank with me into the field.

On-gun would be just right for indoor games.


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Maybe I'm just fucking crazy, but from years of industrial safety experience, it occurs to me that the word "budget" should never be used in conjunction with the idea of a "compact 4500psi potential explosion stored either right next to your face, kidneys, or spine"
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Those tanks are 3000psi. Much safer than 4500.
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Remember when everyone was freaking out about lipo's turning your stock tube into a pipe bomb? lol
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Old August 10th, 2015, 23:07   #11
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Scuba tanks are 3000psi. Very safe due to mandatory testing.

As for paintball tanks, 3000psi tanks are becoming non existent, so my recommendation is to use a 4500psi filled only to 3000psi.
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