April 25th, 2012, 13:52 | #31 |
Then what is the point of this law?
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April 25th, 2012, 14:01 | #32 |
Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture!
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couple guys in manitoba have been importing their own guns for a few years now.
Seems the only people that say it's illegal to do so are either talking about low fps guns, really loyal to retailers, or just don't know any better |
April 25th, 2012, 14:31 | #33 | |
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As Thundercactus said, there have been guys importing under the proper regularions (407 fps with .23g or whatever) for years now and it's all legal. The limits have not been lowered significantly meaning that it's now easier to import, and personal importation has become for feasible. That being said, CBSA are not known for consistency in enforcing regulations. If the agent has the slightest doubt about the item or had a shitty day and doesn't want to be bothered, he can just seize it at his own discretion. At that point, you have to go through the appeals process to get it released. That could take anything from 1 week to 1 year. And any testing done on your gun by the RCMP before release is done at your expense. And their testing isn't cheap.
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December 29th, 2012, 12:32 | #34 |
Read here:
http://www.replicaairguns.com/posts/...er-366fps.html Officially here: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicati...2-005-eng.html Here is the official statement from the CBSA: 1. The purpose of this notice is to advise of changes affecting the classification of 6mm calibre airsoft guns. 2. Section 2 of the Criminal Code defines a firearm as “a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon, as well as anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm”. 3. As outlined in Memorandum D19-13-2, Importing and Exporting Firearms, Weapons and Devices, it was previously established that an airsoft gun, firing a .22g 6mm plastic pellet, must have a muzzle velocity in excess of 124 m/s (407 fps), in order to be considered a firearm. 4. Based on the latest research, it is now established that the muzzle velocity at which a .20g 6mm plastic airsoft projectile is capable of causing serious bodily injury is 111.6 m/s (366 fps). 5. Airsoft guns, firing a .20g 6mm plastic pellet, with a muzzle velocity above 111.6 m/s (366 fps), will be classified as firearms. Please refer to D19-13-2 for the import requirements of low muzzle velocity firearms, including low muzzle velocity “uncontrolled” firearms. 6. If an airsoft gun, firing a .20g 6mm plastic pellet, shoots below 111.6 m/s (366 fps), and resembles with near precision an existing make and model of a firearm, other than an antique firearm, it will be classified as replica firearm. Replica firearms are prohibited devices and must meet import requirements as listed in D19-13-2. 7. Inquiries and comments about this notice should be directed to: Other Government Department Programs Unit Programs Branch Canada Border Services Agency E-mail: faw-aaf@cbsa-asfc.gc.ca
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March 23rd, 2013, 01:03 | #35 |
So based on that, slow airsoft guns are illegal and higher velocity ones require a PAL? I guess they would be classified as non restricted fire arms
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March 23rd, 2013, 01:07 | #36 |
I just read further in to that. And it has to do with importing fire arms. Very interesting. So in Canada where do airsoft guns fall? Are they fire arms if they shoot above 366? Or does this not apply.
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they are airsoft guns. below 366 = replica 366-470 = airsoft gun 470 + pellet gun past that I believe its a firearm There are a lot of threads in the age restricted section regarding the importation of airsoft guns |
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March 23rd, 2013, 01:38 | #38 | ||
Oh we do hate you, just never felt like wasting the time to give you a user title :P
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Mods based on the content of this thread (even befor my post) i vote this should go in thd ristricted section.
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March 23rd, 2013, 01:51 | #39 | |
Oh we do hate you, just never felt like wasting the time to give you a user title :P
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Edit thats strange i quoated a post but it vannished lol.
783 is 5.7 joules. I wasnt suggesting it is a firearm just because of 500 fps just once you hit 500 it becomes a hassel as they will want to hold for testing and such plus only a lvl2 bolt action user needs/will use on the field 500fps so going above that to import is pointless. And even at 366 regardless of energy because of the look of it and so on it is considered a firearm but its an "uncontrolled" firearm that puts it into the greyish area as far as firearms are concerned but allows us to import without issue. But yes you are correct a firearm by definition must meet both 500+fps AND 5.7j + not either or
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March 23rd, 2013, 02:03 | #40 |
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FPS < 366 fps = replica firearm - prohibited device. 366 ≤ FPS < 500 = uncontrolled firearm - free to own without licensing 500 < FPS = firearm Yes it's fucked up, if it can't hurt you it's illegal, but if it can it's legal. If it's real, you can have it with licensing, if it's a look-alike it's illegal. There is no point. We're interpreting poor wording in the Canadian Firearms Act in a way that makes airsoft guns legal. While the act was made with pellet guns in consideration, airsoft guns were unknown at the time. |
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Oh we do hate you, just never felt like wasting the time to give you a user title :P
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500fps AND 5.7j is a firearm not just 500fps but its just beter (read easyer less hassels) to stay below 500
And the original laws didnt include airsoft as it was "unknown" at the time the new revision was created to include airsoft guns but it is a lil scetchy still as they learn about airsoft. Hopefully the next revision will be more clear and also remove the bogus 366 thing and just set an upper limit so TM's and other "low powered" but high quality guns will be easy to import as well lotta nice pistols id love to get bug cant due to that crappy 366 thing. Lil derringers and other nice japanease guns.
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March 23rd, 2013, 03:22 | #42 |
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They've never revised the law. Only the interpretation. The Firearms Act on prescribes the definition of a replica firearm, and the part of the definition that's keeping us afloat is "cannot cause serious bodily harm". What's changed is RCMP testing to determine what the minimum fps requirement is to cause blindness. A few years ago the RCMP did tests on a cow's eye or something and determined it to be 407fps, and a year or two ago they reduced it to 366.
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No, it isn't. It is a fact.
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So, 60% would appear not to be BS at all.
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The way the RCMP lists it you could go up to 775fps and be legal. The way the law says it, you already exceeded 500fps to get to 775fps and therefore it's illegal. But apparently the law makers need to write better laws ... http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliame...ent#bairgunstx Quote:
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March 23rd, 2013, 12:30 | #45 |
Dmitri, it is "and", and not "or", as explained by the airgun fix you posted.
It is law, and interpreted as such with precedent.
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