"Legalizing" hard to get airsoft guns.

Lord of Rebirth · January 23rd, 2010, 18:01

I can't produce parts en masse without a shop and several machines which would negate my profit and incur a need for business licensing. I can have a few units made for myself by people who already owe me significant favors and a lower receiver that is unsuited to be used in a real firearm is not prohibited.

I already have a frank understanding on the laws as to manufacture of firearms parts for real firearms as I have done work in that business.

pusangani · January 23rd, 2010, 18:03

lol sounds like you're the expert then, why you bothering with us lowly hobbyists then ehhehehehe, i call BS on this too.

Crunchmeister · January 23rd, 2010, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Rebirth

a lower receiver that is unsuited to be used in a real firearm is not prohibited.

VERY WRONG. It is VERY MUCH prohibited.

Anyway, sounds like you seem to know it all. Stop asking questions and do whatever you want. You're not looking for answers. You're looking for people to validate and support your ideas.

pusangani · January 23rd, 2010, 18:09

He's also probably 15

Aegiis · January 23rd, 2010, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

VERY WRONG. It is VERY MUCH prohibited.

Anyway, sounds like you seem to know it all. Stop asking questions and do whatever you want. You're not looking for answers. You're looking for people to validate and support your ideas.

QFT

What the fuck is happening, we get these by the dozens nowadays...

Amos · January 23rd, 2010, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Rebirth

I can't produce parts en masse without a shop and several machines which would negate my profit and incur a need for business licensing. I can have a few units made for myself by people who already owe me significant favors and a lower receiver that is unsuited to be used in a real firearm is not prohibited.

I already have a frank understanding on the laws as to manufacture of firearms parts for real firearms as I have done work in that business.

Lol sounds like you're going to end up with a room-mate by the name of Bubba

SHÖCK · January 23rd, 2010, 19:05

Okay, the ASC hate machine can stop now.

Thread starter - what you are proposing is perfectly fine. If you leave the lower reciever in the states and bring everything back, you are doing the right thing.

If the cost works out to be cheaper for you, then that's great, also you can get some more unique AEGs that you aren't likely to find hoping it shows up on the classifieds. The cost is entirely yours and your decision. You don't have to listen to people telling you what they think about how it is a waste of time or cost more in the end. If you've worked it out for yourself and you think it's more cost-effective for you, then by all means, go for it. It's your money.

Aside from that, I just want to reiterate that your statement that "a lower receiver that is unsuited to be used in a real firearm is not prohibited" is false. What is prohibited from import is a replica. It has nothing to do with functionality as a firearm. If you are fabricating them in country, then that is a whole other bag of worms and if you have done your homework, then do what you want. Beware, the RCMP reads this forums.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...plique-eng.htm
"However, you cannot acquire, make or import a replica firearm"

ShelledPants · January 23rd, 2010, 19:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Rebirth

I can't produce parts en masse without a shop and several machines which would negate my profit and incur a need for business licensing. I can have a few units made for myself by people who already owe me significant favors and a lower receiver that is unsuited to be used in a real firearm is not prohibited.

I already have a frank understanding on the laws as to manufacture of firearms parts for real firearms as I have done work in that business.

Go ahead. See you in 15 to 20.

Lord of Rebirth · January 23rd, 2010, 20:21

How about a clear lower receiver? That is what makes Canadian legal lowers not replicas correct? It would be costly to make a mold then to get injection equipment so that isn't gonna save any money I guess.

Also what about a lower receiver that is not really in the form of a normal AR-15 Receiver? I actually had a design request to design upper and lower AR-15 receivers that looked radically different. Kinda the thing that the authorities would get up in arms about but I'm guessing you could make a lower receiver that could function with the rest of an airsoft gun that would not work with a firearm and still look different enough as to not appear a firearm.

It just seems a lot of the dos and don't are rather convoluted and I was hoping for some fair opinions from some experienced people instead of just being told it would cost more and that I am stupid cause I'm new to airsoft guns and have yet to pull 10 or 20 apart and memorize every internal and external part.

Crunchmeister · January 23rd, 2010, 20:30

Regardless of what receiver you design, it's prohibited unless it's clear / tinted plastic.. That's all there is to it. Even if it doesn't look like an existing gun, it's still prohibited. You're correct. The laws are very convoluted.

pusangani · January 23rd, 2010, 20:34

They're only convoluted if you are slow or stupid, illegal is illegal no getting around that, there tons of evil black guns (including MP40's P90's L85's etc etc) in the classifieds, instead of going to all this trouble to make yourself look hardheaded and foolish; why not just age verified and buy the gun as one whole piece and go out and enjoy the wonderful world of airsoft.

Lord of Rebirth · January 23rd, 2010, 21:39

I mean convoluted in practicality. I can have a totally clear lower and then throw a ghillie wrap over it and the gun would likely be indistinguishable from the real gun. It's not important and it is off topic so I won't list like 100 ways I can make a clear lower on an AR-15 disappear.

Thanks for all the practical and excellent advice guys. I'll just stick to some Canadian market guns for now and maybe by time I feel a serious need for something rare it will be readily available on our market.

mills0 · January 23rd, 2010, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of Rebirth

Ok so if this has been asked before please don't shoot me but what do you experts think is the legality of purchasing an airsoft gun in America then while in America removing any Canadian illegal parts before bringing it back?

As an example with a M16 styled airsoft gun the illegal parts are the receivers so if I bought an M16 while in Washington then removed the upper and lower receivers and left them at my cousin's and brought the remaining pile of parts home properly declaring them would I have a problem?

Another way to look at it would be instead of trying to find and buy every legal part separately you just get a complete gun and remove the illegal parts which you can properly replace later.

Just wondering, if your asking about bringing back everything but the illegal parts then why is the thread titled "Legalizing" hard to get airsoft guns." ?

pusangani · January 23rd, 2010, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by mills0

Just wondering, if your asking about bringing back everything but the illegal parts then why is the thread titled "Legalizing" hard to get airsoft guns." ?

Lol you're slower than the OP...

Taking the illegal component of an Otherwise illegal item away from it has the effect of making it legal, hence legalizing it.

The more you know...

Blitzed · January 23rd, 2010, 23:08

That's just as much work as stuffing it in a a big freight liner storage container filled with rotten potatoes.

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January 23rd, 2010, 18:03	#17
pusangani Official ASC "Dumb Ass" Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scarbrah, Ontario	lol sounds like you're the expert then, why you bothering with us lowly hobbyists then ehhehehehe, i call BS on this too. __________________

January 23rd, 2010, 18:09	#19
pusangani Official ASC "Dumb Ass" Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scarbrah, Ontario	He's also probably 15 __________________

January 23rd, 2010, 19:05	#22
SHÖCK aka SNK or Shaniqua Trader rating Join Date: May 2008 Location: Calgary, AB	Okay, the ASC hate machine can stop now. Thread starter - what you are proposing is perfectly fine. If you leave the lower reciever in the states and bring everything back, you are doing the right thing. If the cost works out to be cheaper for you, then that's great, also you can get some more unique AEGs that you aren't likely to find hoping it shows up on the classifieds. The cost is entirely yours and your decision. You don't have to listen to people telling you what they think about how it is a waste of time or cost more in the end. If you've worked it out for yourself and you think it's more cost-effective for you, then by all means, go for it. It's your money. Aside from that, I just want to reiterate that your statement that "a lower receiver that is unsuited to be used in a real firearm is not prohibited" is false. What is prohibited from import is a replica. It has nothing to do with functionality as a firearm. If you are fabricating them in country, then that is a whole other bag of worms and if you have done your homework, then do what you want. Beware, the RCMP reads this forums. http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/f...plique-eng.htm "However, you cannot acquire, make or import a replica firearm" __________________ SHÖCK Last edited by SHÖCK; January 23rd, 2010 at 19:30..

January 23rd, 2010, 18:01	#16
Lord of Rebirth Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC	I can't produce parts en masse without a shop and several machines which would negate my profit and incur a need for business licensing. I can have a few units made for myself by people who already owe me significant favors and a lower receiver that is unsuited to be used in a real firearm is not prohibited. I already have a frank understanding on the laws as to manufacture of firearms parts for real firearms as I have done work in that business.

January 23rd, 2010, 20:21	#24
Lord of Rebirth Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC	How about a clear lower receiver? That is what makes Canadian legal lowers not replicas correct? It would be costly to make a mold then to get injection equipment so that isn't gonna save any money I guess. Also what about a lower receiver that is not really in the form of a normal AR-15 Receiver? I actually had a design request to design upper and lower AR-15 receivers that looked radically different. Kinda the thing that the authorities would get up in arms about but I'm guessing you could make a lower receiver that could function with the rest of an airsoft gun that would not work with a firearm and still look different enough as to not appear a firearm. It just seems a lot of the dos and don't are rather convoluted and I was hoping for some fair opinions from some experienced people instead of just being told it would cost more and that I am stupid cause I'm new to airsoft guns and have yet to pull 10 or 20 apart and memorize every internal and external part.

January 23rd, 2010, 20:30	#25
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	Regardless of what receiver you design, it's prohibited unless it's clear / tinted plastic.. That's all there is to it. Even if it doesn't look like an existing gun, it's still prohibited. You're correct. The laws are very convoluted. __________________

January 23rd, 2010, 20:34	#26
pusangani Official ASC "Dumb Ass" Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scarbrah, Ontario	They're only convoluted if you are slow or stupid, illegal is illegal no getting around that, there tons of evil black guns (including MP40's P90's L85's etc etc) in the classifieds, instead of going to all this trouble to make yourself look hardheaded and foolish; why not just age verified and buy the gun as one whole piece and go out and enjoy the wonderful world of airsoft. __________________

January 23rd, 2010, 21:39	#27
Lord of Rebirth Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC	I mean convoluted in practicality. I can have a totally clear lower and then throw a ghillie wrap over it and the gun would likely be indistinguishable from the real gun. It's not important and it is off topic so I won't list like 100 ways I can make a clear lower on an AR-15 disappear. Thanks for all the practical and excellent advice guys. I'll just stick to some Canadian market guns for now and maybe by time I feel a serious need for something rare it will be readily available on our market.

January 23rd, 2010, 23:08	#30
Blitzed Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: St. Albert, AB	That's just as much work as stuffing it in a a big freight liner storage container filled with rotten potatoes.

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