KJW High capa problem!

Thenooblord · May 29th, 2009, 01:03

i had a problem with my outer barrel, but it locked up totally differently, and it was caused by some bending while i replaced the inner barrel, so i couldnt tell you whats causing it without either REALLY detailed pictures of everything, or actually seeing the gun

Richand · May 29th, 2009, 01:12

Id love to send it to you, but still trying for now, I can try talking to the retailer who sold me, maybe i could get parts replaced or something.

keep suggesting things though im willing to work on the gun until i contact the guy.

theguy · May 29th, 2009, 01:23

If its litterally only a few hours old, contacting the retailer is probably a good idea. Although you DID paint it which would probably void any kind of warranty, most of reputable retailers are good guys who would probably be willing to help you out.

Richand · May 29th, 2009, 01:45

Ok i contacted the retailer, just waiting for a reply.

Oh, the gun does not lock up when i cock it, even really hard. so im still seeing that glimmer of hope.

I guess no co2 for now...

It feels like i got a new car but cant put gas in it.

Styrak · May 29th, 2009, 02:36

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Originally Posted by Richand

It feels like i got a new car but cant put gas in it.

Or you got a new gas car and put diesel in it. Lol.

cbcsteve · May 29th, 2009, 04:18

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Originally Posted by Richand

I guess no co2 for now...
.

No CO2 ever my friend, even though it comes with a CO2 mag you might think it was made to use it but I caution against it. The sheer power is shredding the parts up.

Some may want the stronger kick but thats also means a stronger shredder.

When and if you do get it fixed stick with propane. If you want a stronger kick get a stronger spring set for it

ILLusion · May 29th, 2009, 04:37

What mag are you using that allows you to shoot CO2?

Do a shot to replicate the locking issue. Once it's locked, remove the magazine, clear your finger from the trigger, and push against the muzzle of the BARREL in towards the slide.

Does it cause the slide to rack forward the moment the barrel moves back?

If so, you just found the cause of your problem, and is a common problem with some of these metal components. It's caused by the outer barrel not being pulled back far enough during the slide blowing back, and as a result, the slide catches on the top of the chamber as the slide rides back forward. It causes a two-position lock, that essentially wedges the barrel between the slide and the frame, and the only way to clear it without causing more damage is by pushing the barrel back.

If you force the slide forward, you actually end up causing MORE damage to the slide. I'm betting the lugs on the inside of your slide are all damaged and rounded out now, if this was in fact the cause of your problem. The more you do that, the worse this problem will get.

There isn't any real fix to the problem, except replacing the barrel and/or slide, or if your barrel can be separated in to two components (outer barrel & chamber unit), then you can install a spring assist system to rear-load the assembly to help it clear the lugs in the slide.

It was just poorly built. Not much you can do about that. It's what happens with cheaper components.

If pushing the barrel back DOESN'T release the slide, then there's a different problem at play, but given the current position of your locked slide, the barrel double-wedge problem is the most likely cause.

rexdlu · May 29th, 2009, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Thenooblord

no, paint on the grip will have no effect on the slides function, the slide runs on a mid frame, not the grip, their completely separate

How about slowing down to read. I stated that it looks like the paint was layered on....ready for this?......JUDGING by the MESSED UP LOGO

RedHammer · May 29th, 2009, 10:26

It`s definitely because of the CO2.
Basically you need to get new internals (Reinforced piston, etc.) or a new gun..

Richand · May 29th, 2009, 12:05

Illusion your right, its the barrel, when its stuck i twist and move the barrel a couple of times and it releases. I learned my lesson its NO MORE CO2, the gun was actually a co2 package came with a co2 mag(iknow... y not propane, i just dont like the idea of propane in my room) I did buy a green gas mag lookinf in the future, i just wanted 1 co2 mag for room practice.

The messed up logo is because i got overexcited and played with the gun w/o giving it enough time to dry. "common... first gbb ever".

Lol yeah its layered on, painted it myself looked super good till i got all touchie feelie with it lol.

Good news though is that, retailer is giving me a new gun, but im sending back the clear plastic.
also bought a green gas tank to experiment with. will buy the adapter, silicone oil and propane, maybe next week.

ILLusion · May 29th, 2009, 12:10

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Originally Posted by RedHammer

Basically you need to get new internals (Reinforced piston, etc.) or a new gun..

It's probably not a great idea to give advice if you're not sure of what the problem is.

His problem has nothing to do with the piston.

@ Richand:
Okay, so at least the problem is narrowed down. At this point, you'll have to look in to changing either the barrel, the slide, or both.
Sometimes, when the setup is causing the slide to cycle too fast, it basically over runs the barrel setup, especially if the lugs have been sheared off from excess wear. CO2 would have been the most likely cause of this.

Richand · May 29th, 2009, 12:24

Well, since the retailer was so nice as to send me a new gun im going to replace the whole upper parts, so im just keeping the painted part. Messed up paint logo and all lol.

Looking at the parts though, i can see a couple of scratches, i do want to know if the gun can still operate with green gas, well see soon enough.

Tex · May 29th, 2009, 12:27

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Originally Posted by Richand

Illusion your right, its the barrel, when its stuck i twist and move the barrel a couple of times and it releases. I learned my lesson its NO MORE CO2, the gun was actually a co2 package came with a co2 mag(iknow... y not propane, i just dont like the idea of propane in my room) I did buy a green gas mag lookinf in the future, i just wanted 1 co2 mag for room practice.

The messed up logo is because i got overexcited and played with the gun w/o giving it enough time to dry. "common... first gbb ever".

Lol yeah its layered on, painted it myself looked super good till i got all touchie feelie with it lol.

Good news though is that, retailer is giving me a new gun, but im sending back the clear plastic.
also bought a green gas tank to experiment with. will buy the adapter, silicone oil and propane, maybe next week.

sounds like the retailer is steppin up big time as you did take the gun apart and painted it so they did not need to do this. who was it by the way 8/10 times we hear about retailers it is only when they make a mistake.

Richand · May 29th, 2009, 12:38

lol no names from me pls, I think the retailer would have wanted to know that the co2 can do this and save him some guns.

Its not a mistake(and non of you said it was) too, i just bought a gun that broke itself with its own stock parts.
I think they didn't know that the gun self destructs either.

I cant really blame anyone for this.

Thenooblord · May 29th, 2009, 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by rexdlu

How about slowing down to read. I stated that it looks like the paint was layered on....ready for this?......JUDGING by the MESSED UP LOGO

and what is your point? all im saying is that that doesnt matter at all and had no effect. what are you getting at?

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May 29th, 2009, 04:37	#22
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	What mag are you using that allows you to shoot CO2? Do a shot to replicate the locking issue. Once it's locked, remove the magazine, clear your finger from the trigger, and push against the muzzle of the BARREL in towards the slide. Does it cause the slide to rack forward the moment the barrel moves back? If so, you just found the cause of your problem, and is a common problem with some of these metal components. It's caused by the outer barrel not being pulled back far enough during the slide blowing back, and as a result, the slide catches on the top of the chamber as the slide rides back forward. It causes a two-position lock, that essentially wedges the barrel between the slide and the frame, and the only way to clear it without causing more damage is by pushing the barrel back. If you force the slide forward, you actually end up causing MORE damage to the slide. I'm betting the lugs on the inside of your slide are all damaged and rounded out now, if this was in fact the cause of your problem. The more you do that, the worse this problem will get. There isn't any real fix to the problem, except replacing the barrel and/or slide, or if your barrel can be separated in to two components (outer barrel & chamber unit), then you can install a spring assist system to rear-load the assembly to help it clear the lugs in the slide. It was just poorly built. Not much you can do about that. It's what happens with cheaper components. If pushing the barrel back DOESN'T release the slide, then there's a different problem at play, but given the current position of your locked slide, the barrel double-wedge problem is the most likely cause. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed Last edited by ILLusion; May 29th, 2009 at 04:40..

May 29th, 2009, 12:05	#25
Richand Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	Illusion your right, its the barrel, when its stuck i twist and move the barrel a couple of times and it releases. I learned my lesson its NO MORE CO2, the gun was actually a co2 package came with a co2 mag(iknow... y not propane, i just dont like the idea of propane in my room) I did buy a green gas mag lookinf in the future, i just wanted 1 co2 mag for room practice. The messed up logo is because i got overexcited and played with the gun w/o giving it enough time to dry. "common... first gbb ever". Lol yeah its layered on, painted it myself looked super good till i got all touchie feelie with it lol. Good news though is that, retailer is giving me a new gun, but im sending back the clear plastic. also bought a green gas tank to experiment with. will buy the adapter, silicone oil and propane, maybe next week. Last edited by Richand; May 29th, 2009 at 12:09..

May 29th, 2009, 01:12	#17
Richand Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	Id love to send it to you, but still trying for now, I can try talking to the retailer who sold me, maybe i could get parts replaced or something. keep suggesting things though im willing to work on the gun until i contact the guy.

May 29th, 2009, 01:45	#19
Richand Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	Ok i contacted the retailer, just waiting for a reply. Oh, the gun does not lock up when i cock it, even really hard. so im still seeing that glimmer of hope. I guess no co2 for now... It feels like i got a new car but cant put gas in it.

May 29th, 2009, 10:26	#24
RedHammer Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2005	It`s definitely because of the CO2. Basically you need to get new internals (Reinforced piston, etc.) or a new gun..

May 29th, 2009, 12:24	#27
Richand Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	Well, since the retailer was so nice as to send me a new gun im going to replace the whole upper parts, so im just keeping the painted part. Messed up paint logo and all lol. Looking at the parts though, i can see a couple of scratches, i do want to know if the gun can still operate with green gas, well see soon enough.

May 29th, 2009, 12:38	#29
Richand Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	lol no names from me pls, I think the retailer would have wanted to know that the co2 can do this and save him some guns. Its not a mistake(and non of you said it was) too, i just bought a gun that broke itself with its own stock parts. I think they didn't know that the gun self destructs either. I cant really blame anyone for this.

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