WTF my gun blew up

[pipefitter316]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

what piston head are you using?

couldnt tell ya, got some teamates opening whats left of it up see what needs to fixed and go from there.

[pipefitter316]

well upon opening up my gun it turned out that my work on the gun was a joke, horrible drill holes a mix mash gear box and more stuff that I can write. Hey you know who Im talking about , Im not gonna mention your name but Im am gonna stop anyone who says their gonna go to you for gun work, your work is shit and you played me for a fool so good for you, but now people know about your work, alot of guys know about your shit job and already want to stay away for you, you know Im still fairly new to this sport and Im just amazed by all the great help and feedback I get from guysin this sport its to bad aclown like you has to rip me off and make me lose a little faith in the people of this sport.

Buddy your something else. I would like everyone to know It was me who did the upgrade for him on his cloned m4

It was a haung import, not the easiest box to work on, I replaced

Bushings (removed nylon installed hurricane bushings & modify shim set)
Gearset (just couldn't get stock ones to shim smoothly)
spring guide (added systema bearing spring guide)
Cylinder Head (stock cylinder head was cracked replaced with TM with sorbo)
Replaced tappet plate (new guarder)
Installed modify m110 spring
piston and piston head ( believe I used new TM OEM combo, great setup for spring type)
Air seal nozzle (replaced with systema)
I repaired solder contacts on trigger assembly
Also cleaned all heavy soupy grease out of box and relubed with systema greases

Working on the clone box was nothing short of trying my patience, very hard box to shim correctly.

Also removed stock stock hop up that was cracked, I'm pretty sure I installed new one piece hop up, along with sytema rubber and bucking.

I also replaced stock inner barrel with Mad Bull black python inner barrel

I than replaced the lower reciever on the body for with a TM one, because he had used a paint brush to paint his clear lower reciever, with some sort of tar paint.

I also gave him a 300 round hicap

I also through in a 10.8 volt battry

All parts a labour came to $300

How ever I had to take off $20 because he ruined the 10.8 battery because he charged it with the stock wall charger that came with his gun.

My first words to him were I don't know how long this gun will last, so I'm really not surprised the mechbox broke, the clone shell isn't the best quality, I haven't seen the box but I'm sure it broke in the front traditional spot, way too much vibration I suspect, this would account for the cracked stock hop up.

I did the work in the begining of January, he just paid me off last week, not even full cash total I had to take item in barter.

I have never drilled any holes during a mechbox upgrade, I dont think any other gun docs have either. Yes your parts are going to be a mix match, I use whatever part works the best in a set up, the main reason your gun was so hard to work on was I had to try different combos, the two key things to an upgrade are good airseal, and smooth gearset shimming.

I'm not a master like Illusion, but I have done at least 50 gun upgrades, there are numerous people who have been very satisfied with my work.

I can understand your frustration that your gun broke down, and you being new to the sport, dont know that gun breakdowns are just a way of life in airsoft.

I have to say you have been the most difficult person to deal with, I bent over backwards for you because you are a local here in Barrie and new to the sport.

[Styrak]

Where were the "drill holes" you speak of?

[Scarecrow]

This is a classic V2 mechbox failure. The front of the box fails. It makes a funny clacking sound. You bend over and listen and pull the trigger to hear what its doing - it makes more noise. The piston then overruns its typical stroke length and takes out your hopup. You continue to pull the trigger in the hopes of diagnosing the problem or hoping it will plain go away because you are in denial. You then crack your receiver which is the only thing left with integrity holding the front and back of the gun together and is taking all the remaining piston smacking.

I know, because I did this back in 2004 with my first TM M4.

Buy a re-enforced mechbox with quality internal parts or get a complete pre-built box and replace it. Replace your receiver. Don't do it again. Expensive lesson, but it is what it is.

[Boche]

I'd trust Scooby with any of my guns.

No good deed goes unpunished, it seems.

[SHÖCK]

Originally Posted by pipefitter316

well upon opening up my gun it turned out that my work on the gun was a joke, horrible drill holes a mix mash gear box and more stuff that I can write. Hey you know who Im talking about , Im not gonna mention your name but Im am gonna stop anyone who says their gonna go to you for gun work, your work is shit and you played me for a fool so good for you, but now people know about your work, alot of guys know about your shit job and already want to stay away for you, you know Im still fairly new to this sport and Im just amazed by all the great help and feedback I get from guysin this sport its to bad aclown like you has to rip me off and make me lose a little faith in the people of this sport.

If there really is such a gundoc out there, you should mention his name to help out your fellow players to avoid that. Unqualified people working on guns is the worst thing we have in airsoft. Everybody who can hold a screw driver thinks they are a gundoc. Most of them don't know what they are doing or have improper tools and lack of experience.

-edit, sorry I didn't see Scooby's post. He sounds like he knows what he was doing. Strange that it cracked - that sorbo on the cylinder should have provided some protection. If other people will stand up for him, then, this issue needs more clarification or is a private matter. I just don't like people who should never be working on guns advertising their services for new players who probably can't afford new parts...like that guy who didn't know what the anti-reversal latch did or if it was important selling his services.

[m102404]

Buddy, I know Dean and he's a stand up guy.

I remember back around Christmas time when I fielded a bunch of PMs from you about tuning up your rifle (I was digging through my PMs this morning)...a fair bit of back and forth, advice/etc...to the point where we were going to start into it and then a final PM from you saying that you were going to go with Scooby since he was local. I was a little disappointed to have put in that time and effort, but no big deal. I believe that my words were, "No problem, no hard feelings...you're in good hands".

For the amount of work (those clone guns are crap inside), from a solid guy, and for the parts that were installed...you got a very good deal.

AEGs break...unfortunately that's a fact. Plastic ones break sooner and more frequently than metal ones. When the front end pops on a mechbox, it's extremely common for it to break the hopup as well if it's still used (the hopup takes the brunt of the shots since the mechbox isn't any more). I've only seen a couple the front frame holes break on a couple of plastic AEGs and that's from A) improper assembly or B) wear and tear via rough handling. I suppose that they could break from use if the mechbox/hopup are shot...but I haven't seen that.

I know that you've been playing hard since...I've seen you play hard since. Plastic guns can go for a lot of shots...but they don't take knocks/bumps/packing/etc... like metal guns. To expect otherwise is unwise.

In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't take on your work. Someone once asked me why I won't warranty the work I do. My reply was along the lines of, "they're toys...built with a lot of cheaply made, little parts...all moving at high speed under load....how much do you think I'd need to charge if I was going to warranty the AEG?"

Best of luck on your repairs and/or your next AEG,

Tys

[Scarecrow]

SNK: I would not put Scooby in that category. Many can vouch for his work. I would suggest that it doesn't matter how good a gun doc you are, if you're working with a mishmash of parts to make a mechbox work, you've already got an issue with the shell. Anyone who's owned a V2 mechbox based gun for any length of time should know the weaknesses of that particular box and reenforced V2 mechboxes were available early on because of that generally recognized weakness.

[ex]

...and even a reinforced V2 Mechbox will eventually break in the exact same spot.

[Porkchop]

Originally Posted by ex-royal

...and even a reinforced V2 Mechbox will eventually break in the exact same spot.

Indeed, it will. But 6 years on a Ver 2 ain't bad. At least that's what i managed to get out of mine.

[Freak]

I trust scooby will all my gun repairs, I have never had an issues with scooby with any of my 8 guns. I wouldnt go to anyone else, what you have done on here is a big no no. After all he did for you and you turn on him like this. Duude you are "DICK", stay away from me.....

tattooedfreak

Originally Posted by scooby

Buddy your something else. I would like everyone to know It was me who did the upgrade for him on his cloned m4

It was a haung import, not the easiest box to work on, I replaced

Bushings (removed nylon installed hurricane bushings & modify shim set)
Gearset (just couldn't get stock ones to shim smoothly)
spring guide (added systema bearing spring guide)
Cylinder Head (stock cylinder head was cracked replaced with TM with sorbo)
Replaced tappet plate (new guarder)
Installed modify m110 spring
piston and piston head ( believe I used new TM OEM combo, great setup for spring type)
Air seal nozzle (replaced with systema)
I repaired solder contacts on trigger assembly
Also cleaned all heavy soupy grease out of box and relubed with systema greases

Working on the clone box was nothing short of trying my patience, very hard box to shim correctly.

Also removed stock stock hop up that was cracked, I'm pretty sure I installed new one piece hop up, along with sytema rubber and bucking.

I also replaced stock inner barrel with Mad Bull black python inner barrel

I than replaced the lower reciever on the body for with a TM one, because he had used a paint brush to paint his clear lower reciever, with some sort of tar paint.

I also gave him a 300 round hicap

I also through in a 10.8 volt battry

All parts a labour came to $300

How ever I had to take off $20 because he ruined the 10.8 battery because he charged it with the stock wall charger that came with his gun.

My first words to him were I don't know how long this gun will last, so I'm really not surprised the mechbox broke, the clone shell isn't the best quality, I haven't seen the box but I'm sure it broke in the front traditional spot, way too much vibration I suspect, this would account for the cracked stock hop up.

I did the work in the begining of January, he just paid me off last week, not even full cash total I had to take item in barter.

I have never drilled any holes during a mechbox upgrade, I dont think any other gun docs have either. Yes your parts are going to be a mix match, I use whatever part works the best in a set up, the main reason your gun was so hard to work on was I had to try different combos, the two key things to an upgrade are good airseal, and smooth gearset shimming.

I'm not a master like Illusion, but I have done at least 50 gun upgrades, there are numerous people who have been very satisfied with my work.

I can understand your frustration that your gun broke down, and you being new to the sport, dont know that gun breakdowns are just a way of life in airsoft.

I have to say you have been the most difficult person to deal with, I bent over backwards for you because you are a local here in Barrie and new to the sport.

[ILLusion]

Given this new information, I think you had merely set your expectations too high with a cheap knock off gearbox clone. Combining that with continuing to run the gun after the gearbox broke, it's no surprise you had the following problems after - they are all results of continuing to run the gun after the front end of a mechbox pops off.

For the price you paid for the amount of stuff that scooby put in to fix a headache mechbox, you got a STEAL.

The headaches that those cheap mechboxes cause are exactly why I don't work on them, and if I do, the labour costs are so high that the buyer might as well have bought a good quality mechbox to begin with.

Buy cheap, buy twice. If you think the $300 you paid was an outrageous price, then you are in the wrong sport.

[Amos]

Lesson to be learned here:

Don't buy cheap. for that 300 bucks worth of parts and all that you could have bought a name-brand gun that wont explode on you.

Sounds like Scooby knows exactly what he's doing. It's not him that failed you, it's your low-quality gun.

[CARL]

I have had the pleasure of Dean to work on 2 of my guns, and he has done an amazing job! This is just recently by the way, I have known him for a few years and can honestly say he is stand up guy.

Now that being said, Air soft guns are shit in general, you had a wizard working on your low end gun, and it broke....Ohh well, it sucks balls, I feel your pain!

As for Dean, he knows quit a bit since I have known him, he has notice many fluctuations in parts over the years even in systema. Meaning airsoft parts are made like shit, we need them being made here in North America or Europe to get some decent quality, but it will never happen.

My advice is buy the best most expensive AEG you can, and then expect the worst and anything better will just be gravy.If you ever have the chance to pick up some real steal you will know what i mean.