KAC Stoner 96/Classic Army Knights LMG

Mitsauce · March 19th, 2015, 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

Yeah, neither of them are very good.

I am probably going to SMP mine.

Myself and another tech have both spent quite a bit of time trying to make the damn thing not sound like a dying cat while being fired, no dice. Judging from the shoddy gearbox casting, I'm going to assume that this is the fault here.

Sorry to sound like I'm asking a lot, but, any updates on the internals?

Considering this Stoner as basically G&P and CA M249 SAW type guns don't exist and A&K has lower quality metal.

Thanks

Spike · March 20th, 2015, 12:03

The internals haven't been look at in a while. The issue is the angle that the motor intersects with the bevel gear. It's not at a proper angle so you're going to get motor whine regardless of what you do.

If you're someone who has no problem running stock sounding AEGs, that's fine. It functions just as well as any other LMG. I just can't stand the noise

EOD Steve · March 20th, 2015, 13:04

Gonna start this project at the end of the month.
Got a few grips I can try out...

helljumper02 · March 20th, 2015, 13:15

I threw a HK416 AEG grip on mine and it still has the standard AEG whine, which sucks, I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to do to try to fix the issue other than replace the grip with a better quality grip in the same style, I'm anxious to see your findings EOD Steve

Spike · March 20th, 2015, 14:07

I've tried a few different grips with no luck.

I could have also got a lemon, wouldn't be the first time I've had a lemon CA...

Mitsauce · March 20th, 2015, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by helljumper02

I threw a HK416 AEG grip on mine and it still has the standard AEG whine, which sucks, I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to do to try to fix the issue other than replace the grip with a better quality grip in the same style, I'm anxious to see your findings EOD Steve

Oooh, how did you do the stock mod?

Also, general question, how do y'all sling your Stoners?

I was thinking of a getting a rail sling mount and if the stock mod is easy enough, just run the back of the sling through there.

EDIT: Just saw your post on the stock, looks great! Gotta find someone or time/tools to do it myself in the future perhaps.

helljumper02 · April 15th, 2015, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitsauce

...

Also, general question, how do y'all sling your Stoners?

I was thinking of a getting a rail sling mount and if the stock mod is easy enough, just run the back of the sling through there.

...

Although you don't see it in the picture, I picked up an RSA QD Sling Mount that is mounted on the front rail. I use a Magpul MS4 sling with QD Attachment points that I attach to the stock and to the front sling point. That was one of the main goals of the stock swap, to allow me to run a sling without having to dedicate a sling to this build specifically.

Szevin · April 15th, 2015, 10:41

I've got an idea for fixing your AEG whine!!! Put an SMP in it!!! I'll help you, buy the new hydra with appropriate nozzle and the Bluetooth FCU (order one of those for mine too)

and come over and we'll make it work! It will sound like this when we're done...

Did you hear it? Exactly....

Spike · April 15th, 2015, 11:15

Yuh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

I am probably going to SMP mine.

Myself and another tech have both spent quite a bit of time trying to make the damn thing not sound like a dying cat while being fired, no dice. Judging from the shoddy gearbox casting, I'm going to assume that this is the fault here.

helljumper02 · April 15th, 2015, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Szevin

I've got an idea for fixing your AEG whine!!! Put an SMP in it!!! I'll help you, buy the new hydra with appropriate nozzle and the Bluetooth FCU (order one of those for mine too)

and come over and we'll make it work! It will sound like this when we're done...

Did you hear it? Exactly....

That is something I'm considering, but at the same time I don't know if I want to invest that heavily into a build that I may not use as my primary... I'm still considering it, but I'm hesitant due to the work that will be involved with the trigger switch, etc.
still on the books through...

EOD Steve · May 7th, 2015, 09:35

Jeff - your images are gone!

Also - has anybody found a suitable nozzle replacement for this thing?

Heavy · May 10th, 2015, 00:39

Any try the Stock Adaptor from Ares on this yet??

EOD Steve · May 10th, 2015, 08:14

Did some work on the platform this weekend.

Modified stock trigger to add adjustability for pre-travel and break
Added wiring for a Gate MERF 3.2 MOSFET (CA wire is already 16awg low-resistance wire but I replaced one length with milspec 16awg wire)
Removed stock wiring tray in lower receiver for a cleaner MOSFET install
Installed Magpul MOE grip (motor angle isn't good but comfort is more important in this build as the gun weighs 10+ lbs)

Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCANcc-6qPM

Spike · May 10th, 2015, 11:43

Goddammit, I had them hosted on Facebook instead of Imgur. Whatever.

Did you keep the stock microswitch? Have a chance to stress test it yet?

EOD Steve · May 10th, 2015, 17:14

Hooked up the MERF 3.2 so I hope the stock switch lasts. Going on 1k rounds now.

I think helljumper was curious about my grip findings - Magpul MOE grip - while the motor angle checker tool yielded that it was about 4-5 degrees off, it doesn't sound that bad. Dytac and VFC A2 grips yielded accurate motor angles.

I will start fiddling with the barrel group soon....

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March 20th, 2015, 12:03	#17
Spike Privateer Airsoft Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Beaverbank, NS	The internals haven't been look at in a while. The issue is the angle that the motor intersects with the bevel gear. It's not at a proper angle so you're going to get motor whine regardless of what you do. If you're someone who has no problem running stock sounding AEGs, that's fine. It functions just as well as any other LMG. I just can't stand the noise __________________ I change primaries like other people change socks.

March 20th, 2015, 13:04	#18
EOD Steve Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2012	Gonna start this project at the end of the month. Got a few grips I can try out... __________________ The Steve has spoken.

March 20th, 2015, 14:07	#20
Spike Privateer Airsoft Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Beaverbank, NS	I've tried a few different grips with no luck. I could have also got a lemon, wouldn't be the first time I've had a lemon CA... __________________ I change primaries like other people change socks.

March 20th, 2015, 13:15	#19
helljumper02 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kingston, ON	I threw a HK416 AEG grip on mine and it still has the standard AEG whine, which sucks, I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to do to try to fix the issue other than replace the grip with a better quality grip in the same style, I'm anxious to see your findings EOD Steve

April 15th, 2015, 10:41	#23
Szevin Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kingston ON	I've got an idea for fixing your AEG whine!!! Put an SMP in it!!! I'll help you, buy the new hydra with appropriate nozzle and the Bluetooth FCU (order one of those for mine too) and come over and we'll make it work! It will sound like this when we're done... Did you hear it? Exactly.... __________________

May 7th, 2015, 09:35	#26
EOD Steve Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2012	Jeff - your images are gone! Also - has anybody found a suitable nozzle replacement for this thing? __________________ The Steve has spoken.

May 10th, 2015, 00:39	#27
Heavy DeathStudent Trader rating Join Date: May 2011 Location: Vaudreuil,Quebec	Any try the Stock Adaptor from Ares on this yet??

May 10th, 2015, 08:14	#28
EOD Steve Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2012	Did some work on the platform this weekend. Modified stock trigger to add adjustability for pre-travel and break Added wiring for a Gate MERF 3.2 MOSFET (CA wire is already 16awg low-resistance wire but I replaced one length with milspec 16awg wire) Removed stock wiring tray in lower receiver for a cleaner MOSFET install Installed Magpul MOE grip (motor angle isn't good but comfort is more important in this build as the gun weighs 10+ lbs) Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCANcc-6qPM __________________ The Steve has spoken. Last edited by EOD Steve; May 10th, 2015 at 08:16..

May 10th, 2015, 11:43	#29
Spike Privateer Airsoft Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Beaverbank, NS	Goddammit, I had them hosted on Facebook instead of Imgur. Whatever. Did you keep the stock microswitch? Have a chance to stress test it yet? __________________ I change primaries like other people change socks.

May 10th, 2015, 17:14	#30
EOD Steve Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2012	Hooked up the MERF 3.2 so I hope the stock switch lasts. Going on 1k rounds now. I think helljumper was curious about my grip findings - Magpul MOE grip - while the motor angle checker tool yielded that it was about 4-5 degrees off, it doesn't sound that bad. Dytac and VFC A2 grips yielded accurate motor angles. I will start fiddling with the barrel group soon.... __________________ The Steve has spoken.

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