AGM HK416 Gearbox sticks

Risc_Terilia · May 26th, 2009, 05:06

I have an AGM HK416 which doesn't fire. The piston moves back partially and then just stays there, pulling the trigger results in a motor pushing against an immovable object type sound. I've downgraded the spring in case the springw was to powerful for the motor and i've stuck in an EG1000, still same thing happens. I've had the gearbox apart and back together again, i'm pretty new at gearbox maintenance but i sort of know my way around them and i can't see anything wrong.

Help!

Risc_Terilia · May 26th, 2009, 05:52

Oh yeah forgot to mention i've swapped the battery/bypassed the fuse etc. still nothing.

Gunny_McSmith · May 26th, 2009, 10:20

That could be caused by several thing..... but IMO I think it's the motor height beeing too high, a discharged battery, or a too tight shimming....

Risc_Terilia · May 26th, 2009, 12:47

I've played with the motor height, the gears spin fine when I build the gearbox with just the gears and i've tried a variety of newly charged batteries...

Schwag · May 26th, 2009, 12:54

Motor too high probably would not let it turn that much. Shimmed too tight is very possible.
Definitely check your battery.
Assuming battery is ok, make sure you're not shorting anything and you have a good connection where you removed the fuse.

Are there any new parts in the gun? I've had pistons that weren't quite right that forced the teeth to lockup halfway throught the cycle.

Open the box, remove the anti-reverse and tappet spring, then spin it by hand while trying to keep the piston/gears aligned as they would be if the box was closed. Feel for tight spots. Check the teeth in your gears to make sure nothing is binding there.
Make sure your spring can actually compress into your piston.

Good luck!

Risc_Terilia · May 26th, 2009, 13:28

Cool, something i can actually do to try and sort it makes me feel a lot more positive. I'll give that a go, thanks. BTW i all ready swaped out the piston, no change..

Crunchmeister · May 26th, 2009, 13:35

Try this. Remove the gearbox from the gun, attach the pistol grip directly with motor and all and see if it fires that way out of the gun. If it does, I think I know what your problem may be.

Risc_Terilia · May 26th, 2009, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Try this. Remove the gearbox from the gun, attach the pistol grip directly with motor and all and see if it fires that way out of the gun. If it does, I think I know what your problem may be.

Just tried this, problem still occurs...

Tried taking out the tapet spring and antireversal latch and winding with finger and everything seemed fine, obviously I removed the spring to to do this.

The problem is very similar to this one http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=83013

Thanks all for your help

MADDOG · May 26th, 2009, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risc_Terilia

Just tried this, problem still occurs...

Tried taking out the tapet spring and antireversal latch and winding with finger and everything seemed fine, obviously I removed the spring to to do this.

The problem is very similar to this one http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=83013

Thanks all for your help

Is this a used motor, the motors can wear out and not pull the piston even though it will still spin when connected to a battery source. Possibly try a different motor to test that theory.

Also what size, make and type of battery are you using. If using mini go for a large and see what happens. Many cheap mini's cannot pull stronger springs. Also if the battery is not charged correctly or damaged this lack of spring compression can occur.

Try a proven motor and someones reliable large battery, once you have ensured the previous shim job was completed correctly

lemegacool · May 26th, 2009, 23:38

do you have any bearing spring guide or bearing head in here...

Risc_Terilia · May 27th, 2009, 01:23

I'm using an 8.4 volt crane stock battery but it's agm so i guess not great quality. Tried different motors. I've used a bearing and a non-bearing head.

ujiro · May 27th, 2009, 01:26

what fps does it shoot (what spring)? That battery is sort of weak, but if its poor quality, could be even weaker. Might not have the power

Risc_Terilia · May 27th, 2009, 01:50

Was thinking of sticking a 9.6 in there but the only one i can find locally for crane stocks is 2 sticks of 4 batteries which seems pretty useless as surely it won't fit in a crane stock...

I'll test it with a 9.6 though. The box says the gun is like 400fps but the spring has been downgraded.

Risc_Terilia · May 27th, 2009, 02:21

Some pics i took of the gearbox just to make sure it's all in order.

Risc_Terilia · May 27th, 2009, 03:17

If i stick a screwdriver in the port when the piston's jammed back and force it back while pulling the trigger it fires and then it'll shoot 3 or 4 times but then jam again. Pretty much sounds like the spring is to powerful still right?

I'm pretty desperate for it to work for tonight, what would you guys say about cutting the spring down slightly?

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May 26th, 2009, 05:06	#1
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	AGM HK416 Gearbox sticks I have an AGM HK416 which doesn't fire. The piston moves back partially and then just stays there, pulling the trigger results in a motor pushing against an immovable object type sound. I've downgraded the spring in case the springw was to powerful for the motor and i've stuck in an EG1000, still same thing happens. I've had the gearbox apart and back together again, i'm pretty new at gearbox maintenance but i sort of know my way around them and i can't see anything wrong. Help!

May 26th, 2009, 12:54	#5
Schwag Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A sick fascist corporatocracy.	Motor too high probably would not let it turn that much. Shimmed too tight is very possible. Definitely check your battery. Assuming battery is ok, make sure you're not shorting anything and you have a good connection where you removed the fuse. Are there any new parts in the gun? I've had pistons that weren't quite right that forced the teeth to lockup halfway throught the cycle. Open the box, remove the anti-reverse and tappet spring, then spin it by hand while trying to keep the piston/gears aligned as they would be if the box was closed. Feel for tight spots. Check the teeth in your gears to make sure nothing is binding there. Make sure your spring can actually compress into your piston. Good luck! __________________ (Former)Grand Poobah of T.W.A.T.

May 26th, 2009, 13:35	#7
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	Try this. Remove the gearbox from the gun, attach the pistol grip directly with motor and all and see if it fires that way out of the gun. If it does, I think I know what your problem may be. __________________

May 26th, 2009, 05:52	#2
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	Oh yeah forgot to mention i've swapped the battery/bypassed the fuse etc. still nothing.

May 26th, 2009, 10:20	#3
Gunny_McSmith a.k.a. Palucol Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: MTL	That could be caused by several thing..... but IMO I think it's the motor height beeing too high, a discharged battery, or a too tight shimming....

May 26th, 2009, 12:47	#4
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	I've played with the motor height, the gears spin fine when I build the gearbox with just the gears and i've tried a variety of newly charged batteries...

May 26th, 2009, 13:28	#6
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	Cool, something i can actually do to try and sort it makes me feel a lot more positive. I'll give that a go, thanks. BTW i all ready swaped out the piston, no change..

May 26th, 2009, 23:38	#10
lemegacool Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: notre dame des prairies /quebec	do you have any bearing spring guide or bearing head in here... __________________ member of fire team NOM. my other regular forum: www.toyotanation.com / gen3,gen4 camry

May 27th, 2009, 01:23	#11
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	I'm using an 8.4 volt crane stock battery but it's agm so i guess not great quality. Tried different motors. I've used a bearing and a non-bearing head.

May 27th, 2009, 01:26	#12
ujiro Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burlington, ON	what fps does it shoot (what spring)? That battery is sort of weak, but if its poor quality, could be even weaker. Might not have the power __________________ I love freedom and consequently America

May 27th, 2009, 01:50	#13
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	Was thinking of sticking a 9.6 in there but the only one i can find locally for crane stocks is 2 sticks of 4 batteries which seems pretty useless as surely it won't fit in a crane stock... I'll test it with a 9.6 though. The box says the gun is like 400fps but the spring has been downgraded.

May 27th, 2009, 02:21	#14
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	Some pics i took of the gearbox just to make sure it's all in order.

May 27th, 2009, 03:17	#15
Risc_Terilia Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2008	If i stick a screwdriver in the port when the piston's jammed back and force it back while pulling the trigger it fires and then it'll shoot 3 or 4 times but then jam again. Pretty much sounds like the spring is to powerful still right? I'm pretty desperate for it to work for tonight, what would you guys say about cutting the spring down slightly?

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