ICS Woes

MrEvolution · May 16th, 2009, 01:06

Alright boys, my ICS needs some diagnostics done on 'er.

Gun History:
Purchased second-hand from a reputable member on ASC in January 2008, its FPS was 290 which was weird as he had upgraded the internals. Have not had it touched until TAC09 when the spring was replaced by a gun doc with the (supposedly) same strength spring (Modify S100), I was told that the spring might have been too used/broken down to sustain FPS. With the new Modify spring the FPS dropped to 280, again I was puzzled. New spring has seen less than 1000 Rounds since then.

I changed out the stock Piston/Piston head for a Mad Bull Piston with full teeth and a Modify bearing piston head. The gun now chronies from 250 to 320 using BB Bastard .20's with the hop up completely off and a fully charged battery.

Barrel: Madbull Black Python Tightbore 6.03mm
Gears: Stock ICS (Metal)
Spring: Modify S100 (should be at 370fps)
Spring Guide: Unknown V2 with bearings, probably systema
Piston: Modify Polycarb Full teeth.
Piston Head: Modify Polycarbonate Bearing Piston Head
Tappet: Stock ICS
Battery: G&P CRANE 9.6V 2200 mAh
Bushings: Stock ICS
Shims: Systema Shims
Cylinder: Stock ICS
Cylinder Head: Stock ICS
Nozzle: Stock (I assume)
Hop Up Unit/Sleeve/Bucking: Stock ICS

Any Ideas WTF is wrong with it? its become a real pain and I swear it is cursed.

rustysniper · May 16th, 2009, 01:11

air seal problem which is air nozzle/hop up/bucking related...change one or all

Skladfin · May 16th, 2009, 01:23

I second rusty sniper's opinion. This is definitely an airseal problem.

Sometimes if there is a bad airseal, the gun will shoot at the same FPS no matter what spring you put in(Unless its weaker than the FPS.) For example, one of my guns used to shoot 330FPS no matter what I did(M120, M110, M140) until I fixed the airseal.

So check the hop up rubber to air nozzle area, that's usually the area.

Hope that helps

MrEvolution · May 16th, 2009, 01:25

Suggestions for a temp fix just to see if that IS the problem? (im thinking teflon tape)

Skladfin · May 16th, 2009, 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrEvolution

Suggestions for a temp fix just to see if that IS the problem? (im thinking teflon tape)

Not sure where you would tape the teflon tape. It's just that everytime I've had the same problem it was because of airseal between the hop up rubber and airseal nozzle. Try reinstalling your barrel a few times.

mcguyver · May 16th, 2009, 02:25

It's best to use an ICS nozzle with an ICS hop-up. The stock ICS one is a tad longer than Marui-spec.

Cylinder is installed with the vent holes at the rear?

MrEvolution · May 16th, 2009, 04:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver

Cylinder is installed with the vent holes at the rear?

Yes.
Would photos of certain areas help?

dpvu · May 16th, 2009, 04:33

It might but vent holes facing the wrong way would give much lower FPS readings I think. The vent in your cylinder needs to be at the BACK (further away from the nozzle). If it's facing the wrong way most of the air just escapes. Did you do a compression test when putting it all together? I suspect maybe the piston head is not sealing with the cylinder.

MrEvolution · May 16th, 2009, 21:33

as I said, the cylinder holes are at the back

yuhaoyang · May 16th, 2009, 23:26

since the piston head and the cylinder are diff brands, make sure they have good seal against eachother. same goes for the seal between the cylinder head and cylinder, and cylinder head and nozzle.

Skladfin · May 16th, 2009, 23:31

try using a slightly longer air seal nozzle. not sure which gun uses slightly longer one than sotck ICS though =\

heikis · May 17th, 2009, 03:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin

try using a slightly longer air seal nozzle. not sure which gun uses slightly longer one than sotck ICS though =\

the Guarder airseal nozzle is longer just by a fraction. im using it and seems to be alright. i did a lot of research before getting the guarder airseal nozzle in my ics m4 and actually many people are using it in their ics m4 guns.
the ehobbyasia link: http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/guarder-a...m16a2-aeg.html

MrEvolution · May 19th, 2009, 16:43

Suggestions where to source a new hop unit? ive tried RW and WGC with no results.

viraL · May 19th, 2009, 16:48

I'm probably going to need one as mines got a huge crack in it, so if you find one lemme know or post it here, because I gotta grab one too!

safx · May 19th, 2009, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrEvolution

Suggestions where to source a new hop unit? ive tried RW and WGC with no results.

www.blazingtoys.com

ICS parts dealer in the US that will
ship to Canada. My main source in
the past for building ICS M4's.

Edit: Just give your gun to Tyson
(m102404), he'll fix her right up.

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May 16th, 2009, 02:25	#6
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	It's best to use an ICS nozzle with an ICS hop-up. The stock ICS one is a tad longer than Marui-spec. Cylinder is installed with the vent holes at the rear? __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

May 16th, 2009, 04:33	#8
dpvu Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Calgary	It might but vent holes facing the wrong way would give much lower FPS readings I think. The vent in your cylinder needs to be at the BACK (further away from the nozzle). If it's facing the wrong way most of the air just escapes. Did you do a compression test when putting it all together? I suspect maybe the piston head is not sealing with the cylinder. __________________ JG HK416 KWA USP

May 16th, 2009, 01:11	#2
rustysniper Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canal Flats BC	air seal problem which is air nozzle/hop up/bucking related...change one or all

May 16th, 2009, 01:23	#3
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	I second rusty sniper's opinion. This is definitely an airseal problem. Sometimes if there is a bad airseal, the gun will shoot at the same FPS no matter what spring you put in(Unless its weaker than the FPS.) For example, one of my guns used to shoot 330FPS no matter what I did(M120, M110, M140) until I fixed the airseal. So check the hop up rubber to air nozzle area, that's usually the area. Hope that helps

May 16th, 2009, 23:31	#11
Skladfin Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Glace Bay, Nova Scotia	try using a slightly longer air seal nozzle. not sure which gun uses slightly longer one than sotck ICS though =\

May 19th, 2009, 16:48	#14
viraL Envies Disaster_Piece's hair Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Burlington, ON	I'm probably going to need one as mines got a huge crack in it, so if you find one lemme know or post it here, because I gotta grab one too!

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