TM P226 slide doesn't lock back.

KEVORKIAN · January 26th, 2008, 23:48

4th mag...still no problems!

KEVORKIAN · January 27th, 2008, 00:52

A few more ideas...

1.) Pulled out the mag spring & stretched it a little!!!

2.) Dropped in a stock Hicapa recoil spring...

3.) Filed slide catch slot on slide so that the slide catch lever can move up further...

4.) Lubed up mag spring with a little (very minimal) silicon oil, I know it's gonna cause some issues with the first few rounds of bb's being fired...but I want to try everything possible !!!!

So far, so good....

Omi-san · January 27th, 2008, 15:16

I took out the metal part from the top of the slide.

All I did was remove the 2 screws holding the rear sight and then I pulled the metal part and cylinder out.

Piece P226-10 and P226-11 fell out. Where and how do I install these 2 back in? the diagram in the TM manual isn't really clear. They are apparently called "return plunger" and "cylinder return spring".

Is it supposed to be in the center between P226-14 and P226-5?

The Saint · January 27th, 2008, 15:29

Here you go.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpos...23&postcount=2

Omi-san · January 27th, 2008, 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint

Here you go.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpos...23&postcount=2

I finally figured it out before seeing this, but thanks!

Omi-san · January 27th, 2008, 16:04

I also filed the 2 parts. I gave an edge back to the cage and changed the angle of the slide catch so it could "bite" better. The pistol is working fine after a few mags, but it's probably just a matter of time before the metal on the cage loses its edge again.

The Saint · January 27th, 2008, 16:06

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Omi-san · January 27th, 2008, 16:20

here's what I did:

I filed the dark grey areas. considering the original angle of the slide catch, it's no wonder it slipped easily. What I did might lead to other problems...I'll find out eventually.

Pulling the slide to release it after inserting a new mag instead of pushing the slide catch down might also help reduce the wear on it.

Griffin · January 27th, 2008, 16:23

I would like to see a pic up close of a TM p226 thats not having issues. I suspect that the mag spring, in the newer guns is not as strong as the older ones. When running on propane, it just can't push the slide catch up fast enough on the last shot to stop the slide.

Crunchmeister · January 27th, 2008, 16:28

While I think you can mess with the mag spring to make it work better, it's not the cause of the problem, and messing with it too much may cause feeding issues. It's been well established that the cause of the problem is the metal wearing down. Older P226s don't seem to have this wear issue, suggesting that newer ones are made of weaker metal. You either replace it with a new part, or file it as the others have suggested.

Omi-san · January 27th, 2008, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griffin

I would like to see a pic up close of a TM p226 thats not having issues. I suspect that the mag spring, in the newer guns is not as strong as the older ones. When running on propane, it just can't push the slide catch up fast enough on the last shot to stop the slide.

I had the same problem with duster gas and with other mags that didn't come with the pistol. But yeah, more tension on the mag spring would probably push the slide catch up faster before it has a chance to slip.

Griffin · January 27th, 2008, 16:33

The metal wears down because for the first few mags the slide catch just barely grabs that part causing the initial impact damage. Once its worn down enough it just wont stop the slide. I am willing to be if the slide catch was able to be in the full upright position each time, this would be a none issue.

Crunchmeister · January 27th, 2008, 16:40

Until someone with an older P226 can confirm that they didn't have the issue before, but are now with new model mags, then I don't think we can blame the mags. And it sounds to me like this is only an issue guns in the last year or so. Older ones don't seem to have this problem.

Like I said, my gun failed on the 5th mag fired - 2 first were on duster, the next 3 on propane. The fact that this part wore down this quickly points to a problem with the metal, not in the operation of the gun itself. Regardless of mags, the part should not have failed this quickly.

Griffin · January 27th, 2008, 16:47

I agree the metal does not take a beating that well. If you look at though only a small portion of the slide catch at first is actually grabbing, not the whole piece like it should. As you fire gun either dry/fire or with BB's especially on propane that small corner causes the small intent quickly. Once its big enough, that small corner is just not enough to stop slide on propane, and with enough damage duster gas as well. If you cock the slide back manually, you can see just how high the slide catch should go, but does not when firing on propane.

I can say it only took 2 mags on propane right out of the box for this to now be an issue. Has TM maybe gone the cheap route with the metal on the chassis, maybe but they could have also cheaped out on the mag springs as well.

The Saint · January 27th, 2008, 16:49

It might not be the magazine spring, though. The P226 slide stop is spring-loaded downwards, which means that the magazine is fighting the slide stop spring to push the slide stop upwards. Instead of increasing the magazine spring strength, try removing that slide stop spring and see if it helps.

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January 26th, 2008, 23:48	#31
KEVORKIAN Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manitoba	4th mag...still no problems! __________________ Kevorkian I SUPPORT THE USE OF SILICA BB BASTARDS!

January 27th, 2008, 00:52	#32
KEVORKIAN Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manitoba	A few more ideas... 1.) Pulled out the mag spring & stretched it a little!!! 2.) Dropped in a stock Hicapa recoil spring... 3.) Filed slide catch slot on slide so that the slide catch lever can move up further... 4.) Lubed up mag spring with a little (very minimal) silicon oil, I know it's gonna cause some issues with the first few rounds of bb's being fired...but I want to try everything possible !!!! So far, so good.... __________________ Kevorkian I SUPPORT THE USE OF SILICA BB BASTARDS!

January 27th, 2008, 15:29	#34
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	Here you go. http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showpos...23&postcount=2 __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

January 27th, 2008, 15:16	#33
Omi-san Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Montréal	I took out the metal part from the top of the slide. All I did was remove the 2 screws holding the rear sight and then I pulled the metal part and cylinder out. Piece P226-10 and P226-11 fell out. Where and how do I install these 2 back in? the diagram in the TM manual isn't really clear. They are apparently called "return plunger" and "cylinder return spring". Is it supposed to be in the center between P226-14 and P226-5?

January 27th, 2008, 16:04	#36
Omi-san Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Montréal	I also filed the 2 parts. I gave an edge back to the cage and changed the angle of the slide catch so it could "bite" better. The pistol is working fine after a few mags, but it's probably just a matter of time before the metal on the cage loses its edge again.

January 27th, 2008, 16:06	#37
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	If you guys are still looking for OEM Marui parts, contact leonardinjapan(at)hotmail(dt)com with the part number. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

January 27th, 2008, 16:20	#38
Omi-san Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Montréal	here's what I did: I filed the dark grey areas. considering the original angle of the slide catch, it's no wonder it slipped easily. What I did might lead to other problems...I'll find out eventually. Pulling the slide to release it after inserting a new mag instead of pushing the slide catch down might also help reduce the wear on it. Last edited by Omi-san; January 27th, 2008 at 16:23..

January 27th, 2008, 16:23	#39
Griffin Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	I would like to see a pic up close of a TM p226 thats not having issues. I suspect that the mag spring, in the newer guns is not as strong as the older ones. When running on propane, it just can't push the slide catch up fast enough on the last shot to stop the slide.

January 27th, 2008, 16:28	#40
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	While I think you can mess with the mag spring to make it work better, it's not the cause of the problem, and messing with it too much may cause feeding issues. It's been well established that the cause of the problem is the metal wearing down. Older P226s don't seem to have this wear issue, suggesting that newer ones are made of weaker metal. You either replace it with a new part, or file it as the others have suggested. __________________

January 27th, 2008, 16:33	#42
Griffin Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	The metal wears down because for the first few mags the slide catch just barely grabs that part causing the initial impact damage. Once its worn down enough it just wont stop the slide. I am willing to be if the slide catch was able to be in the full upright position each time, this would be a none issue.

January 27th, 2008, 16:40	#43
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	Until someone with an older P226 can confirm that they didn't have the issue before, but are now with new model mags, then I don't think we can blame the mags. And it sounds to me like this is only an issue guns in the last year or so. Older ones don't seem to have this problem. Like I said, my gun failed on the 5th mag fired - 2 first were on duster, the next 3 on propane. The fact that this part wore down this quickly points to a problem with the metal, not in the operation of the gun itself. Regardless of mags, the part should not have failed this quickly. __________________

January 27th, 2008, 16:47	#44
Griffin Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	I agree the metal does not take a beating that well. If you look at though only a small portion of the slide catch at first is actually grabbing, not the whole piece like it should. As you fire gun either dry/fire or with BB's especially on propane that small corner causes the small intent quickly. Once its big enough, that small corner is just not enough to stop slide on propane, and with enough damage duster gas as well. If you cock the slide back manually, you can see just how high the slide catch should go, but does not when firing on propane. I can say it only took 2 mags on propane right out of the box for this to now be an issue. Has TM maybe gone the cheap route with the metal on the chassis, maybe but they could have also cheaped out on the mag springs as well.

January 27th, 2008, 16:49	#45
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	It might not be the magazine spring, though. The P226 slide stop is spring-loaded downwards, which means that the magazine is fighting the slide stop spring to push the slide stop upwards. Instead of increasing the magazine spring strength, try removing that slide stop spring and see if it helps. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

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