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HellRanger · September 13th, 2007, 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Uhh... yes. It would still move, given the shims weren't so tight that it caused the gears to seize with zero resistance on it.

If there was 50% resistance, all it needs is the resistance from the spring to cause a full seizure, unless the motor had an extreme level of torque to power it through.

I think the possibility of a spring slipping off a spring guide is pretty much impossible. I can't see how it is physically possible at all. Perhaps you could shine some more light on the subject?

+1 on that one as well, I would like to know how this would be possible.

Spa · September 14th, 2007, 17:47

There are some springs with rounded bottoms instead of flat ones. (Stock CA springs for example). I have seen springs from PDI and KA that have rounded ends. If the spring guide is not of good quality(eg. plastic ones with a washer), the pressure of the piston being pulled back can actually cause the springs end to slip off the area with the ball bearings on the guide (dont know how this happens, but its possible from pressure). When this happens the piston cannot be fully pulled back and thus the sector gear cannot complete its cycle becuase the pistons last tooth or the teeth near it are holding the sector gear from moving.

The way i fixed it was I just put a spring with a flat end in the gun and it started to work without any jams.

I hope that helps. Weird things hapeen to AEG's like the back of a gearbox blowing off or a spring guide cracking, etc.

And illusion your right about the shim job. I forgot even at 50% or 99% resistance they can still move:P I just had times where 1x0.15shim actually made the gears not move at all.

and when are those phoenix gears going to be in stock at WGC, I wanna purchase a set just to see how they perform.

ILLusion · September 14th, 2007, 19:51

Okay, that makes sense. I thought you meant the spring slipped off the entire spring guide.

As for the Phoenix gears, I'll be butching a gearbox that has phoenix gears in it. I'll sell them for a pretty cheap price because one of the teeth on the spur gear magically disappeared. :P What sucks is that I've hardly ever used those gears and I've never heard it jam.

Double Tapper · September 15th, 2007, 10:08

I wil losen the screws on the gear box and see what happens.
I have the TM parts still,and will use the softer spring.

Spa · September 16th, 2007, 02:35

lets do business when they are ready illusion:P

Double Tapper · October 8th, 2007, 16:31

Well guys,I loosened the screws and tried to fire it,same thing.
The wiring got warm as bye passed the fuse.Do you think the
motor is messed up and drawing to much current but lacking
power operate under load.I am not up on electrical things.
I was wondering should I replace the motor ,or is there some-
thing else should check first?.

Double Tapper · October 8th, 2007, 18:34

Anyone know where I can find a hi-torque motor for my tm?.
I went through the list of retailers above using their search
and found nothing on motors.

shifty51 · October 8th, 2007, 18:45

sytema makes one, try airsoftparts.ca

Spa · October 8th, 2007, 18:58

have you tried turning the gears just byitself without the spirng and guts..or tested the motor byitself to see if it turns or notice any weird sounds?

Double Tapper · October 8th, 2007, 19:22

I'll try that,what I had done was loosen the screws and got the same thing.
I helped the tube to the rear to fire then felt the wires and very hot.

Double Tapper · November 4th, 2007, 09:54

Well I put a lighter spring in,I still get the same resualts.
Everything moves smoothly without the spring.I am going
to see if I can get over to schwags and learn more about
this aeg

ThunderCactus · November 4th, 2007, 11:09

The wires get really hot under normal conditions too.

Double Tapper · November 4th, 2007, 11:22

Yes,I kept blowing fuses,so I held the two brass clips together and
it got hot quickly,I think the motor may have a short and can't
handle a load.But I am only guessing now..

Double Tapper · December 8th, 2007, 15:35

Well good news,I found the problem with my gun,ME. When I
put the two mech box halfs together,I failed to notice that the
plastic tube with the gear teeth on it sliped out of the groove
for it.How it did this before I took it apart to fix it is still a unknown.
I must have stared at it to hard the first time to see it.

Double Tapper · December 8th, 2007, 16:40

I have a new question.If the gun fires nice without rounds,then sounds semi
rough with rounds and not fire the rounds all the time,would this mean something didn't get hooked up right?.I did a motor height check,that seems
good.The gun works great as long as there are no rounds in it.

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September 14th, 2007, 17:47	#17
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	There are some springs with rounded bottoms instead of flat ones. (Stock CA springs for example). I have seen springs from PDI and KA that have rounded ends. If the spring guide is not of good quality(eg. plastic ones with a washer), the pressure of the piston being pulled back can actually cause the springs end to slip off the area with the ball bearings on the guide (dont know how this happens, but its possible from pressure). When this happens the piston cannot be fully pulled back and thus the sector gear cannot complete its cycle becuase the pistons last tooth or the teeth near it are holding the sector gear from moving. The way i fixed it was I just put a spring with a flat end in the gun and it started to work without any jams. I hope that helps. Weird things hapeen to AEG's like the back of a gearbox blowing off or a spring guide cracking, etc. And illusion your right about the shim job. I forgot even at 50% or 99% resistance they can still move:P I just had times where 1x0.15shim actually made the gears not move at all. and when are those phoenix gears going to be in stock at WGC, I wanna purchase a set just to see how they perform. Last edited by Spa; September 14th, 2007 at 17:53..

September 14th, 2007, 19:51	#18
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Okay, that makes sense. I thought you meant the spring slipped off the entire spring guide. As for the Phoenix gears, I'll be butching a gearbox that has phoenix gears in it. I'll sell them for a pretty cheap price because one of the teeth on the spur gear magically disappeared. :P What sucks is that I've hardly ever used those gears and I've never heard it jam. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

October 8th, 2007, 18:45	#23
shifty51 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mississauga, Ontario	sytema makes one, try airsoftparts.ca __________________

September 15th, 2007, 10:08	#19
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	I wil losen the screws on the gear box and see what happens. I have the TM parts still,and will use the softer spring.

September 16th, 2007, 02:35	#20
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	lets do business when they are ready illusion:P

October 8th, 2007, 16:31	#21
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	Well guys,I loosened the screws and tried to fire it,same thing. The wiring got warm as bye passed the fuse.Do you think the motor is messed up and drawing to much current but lacking power operate under load.I am not up on electrical things. I was wondering should I replace the motor ,or is there some- thing else should check first?.

October 8th, 2007, 18:34	#22
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	Anyone know where I can find a hi-torque motor for my tm?. I went through the list of retailers above using their search and found nothing on motors.

October 8th, 2007, 18:58	#24
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	have you tried turning the gears just byitself without the spirng and guts..or tested the motor byitself to see if it turns or notice any weird sounds?

October 8th, 2007, 19:22	#25
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	I'll try that,what I had done was loosen the screws and got the same thing. I helped the tube to the rear to fire then felt the wires and very hot.

November 4th, 2007, 09:54	#26
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	Well I put a lighter spring in,I still get the same resualts. Everything moves smoothly without the spring.I am going to see if I can get over to schwags and learn more about this aeg Last edited by Double Tapper; November 4th, 2007 at 09:57..

November 4th, 2007, 11:09	#27
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	The wires get really hot under normal conditions too.

November 4th, 2007, 11:22	#28
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	Yes,I kept blowing fuses,so I held the two brass clips together and it got hot quickly,I think the motor may have a short and can't handle a load.But I am only guessing now..

December 8th, 2007, 15:35	#29
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	Well good news,I found the problem with my gun,ME. When I put the two mech box halfs together,I failed to notice that the plastic tube with the gear teeth on it sliped out of the groove for it.How it did this before I took it apart to fix it is still a unknown. I must have stared at it to hard the first time to see it.

December 8th, 2007, 16:40	#30
Double Tapper Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The land of the over regulated and the banners	I have a new question.If the gun fires nice without rounds,then sounds semi rough with rounds and not fire the rounds all the time,would this mean something didn't get hooked up right?.I did a motor height check,that seems good.The gun works great as long as there are no rounds in it.

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