Question about negative feedback

Gonepostal · May 4th, 2006, 13:11

Thank you I thought I was in the right but wanted to confirm. The last 2 weeks has been a whirlwind in my life. I am selling one battery to one guy because we confirmed shipping prices and what not. I thought the rest can wait.
The neg feedback removed or not is not a big deal since I will be leaving the country and airsoft in Canada

That's why I have been so busy contemplating a job offer and then setting up everything related to that.
I just wanted to post this up to help to make sure this doesn't happen to someone else in the future.

quikstrike · May 4th, 2006, 15:10

Gcoap:

You were NOT commited to the sale man. If you EXCHANGED money, then negative him and take appropriate action.

If not, stop whining. Big deal you have to wait a little longer for your battery.

Crap happens in the world man, so suck it up and wait. In all honesty thats the bittersweet truth. If you don't like it, get a battery from someone else. Feedback is used to rate and TRANSACTION.

Thats it. Nothing else.

Even though people give negative feedback for flaking, I think thats bull. But thats my own opinion. Obviously if they were like oh I got the money!11!1one!1!eleven!1!1!! then made you blow off other sales, then fine, -, them. But deffinatley you are completely wrong in this case.

Gcoap · May 4th, 2006, 15:18

If i missunderstood the situations to use this in then pull it, but i had a negative experiance so i noted it as a warning for other people is that not what it is for?

quikstrike · May 4th, 2006, 15:48

But did you just read my post?

Yes it is to note negative experience. But stuff like yours is not even a big deal. He said he was very busy, so its up to you to be polite and wait if you want to buy from him. If you think you are in the right to give him a -. Then he is in by all means in the right to - you.

Just take it easy man. Wonder how many '-'s you may of given if you were part of the props canada order. Damn...

I, and as well as others think you are in the wrong for doing so.

Next time wait until the transaction is done. I could see if you sent money, and you got nothing deffinatley give a negative. If not, then chill a bit dude. And if he is taking too long, just drop it and find another seller.

Never bite the hand that feeds you.

CalvinTat · May 4th, 2006, 15:54

Read what Phenom, Grphyon, and quikstrike wrote, they have explained in pretty basic terms what the tradeback system is for and what you did wrong.

People on ASC actually have LIVES (well, some of us do at least), Jobs, and responsibilities (Some of us have families). I doubt that selling something to you is #1 on their priority list. Also, learn how to check when the person was last online, thats a good way to see if they are just ignoring you or have actually been busy.

What you did, imo is the same as someone leaving a negative rating on ebay for slow shipping. Cause we all know it is hardly the sellers fault (unless seller forgets to ship the package) that the company that ships the product is slow.

Gcoap · May 4th, 2006, 16:18

alright so i did use it in the wrong situation, and about me not checking if he had gotten the PM he did and he was online atlest once a day through out the five day period, said nothing about being busy.

quikstrike · May 4th, 2006, 17:54

Stop trying to cover yourself, if he had the time to message you between that 5 day period then that would mean he isn't busy now wouldn't it?

Chill man. We've already said it all. If you still want it, contact him. If not. Then go look some more.

Plus you are only 17. You are probably living at home, and go to high school and maybe have a part time job.

Gonepostal is 23. Hes moving OUT OF THE COUNTRY. He's obviously damned busy. So relax, not like your in a huge rush man.

Dirty Deeds · May 4th, 2006, 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gcoap negative feedback left

was prompt for the first few PM's i have now waited over 5 days to get a shipping quote, when he said he would get it the next day.

WTF??? That is the most fucking rediculous feedback and reason for negative feedback I've ever seen. Man if I left feedback for every PM that wasn't answered when I thought it should be answered......WOW.....just fucking wow.

Spoiled little brat, go back to sucking on your mommy's teet. I would prompt, everyone who reads this, to take note, and NEVER do business with you.

buzzard · May 5th, 2006, 14:07

sorry to thread-jack, but what if a sale went through and when the item arrived to the buyer it was not as advertised? for instance, what if the seller used a local slang term to describe a part of the package which the buyer misunderstood as beiing something else.

again, im sorry to thread-jack but i thought that this might also be useful to others in the future. and i wanted to know if i was justified in giving -ve feedback

thephenom · May 5th, 2006, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzard

sorry to thread-jack, but what if a sale went through and when the item arrived to the buyer it was not as advertised? for instance, what if the seller used a local slang term to describe a part of the package which the buyer misunderstood as beiing something else.

again, im sorry to thread-jack but i thought that this might also be useful to others in the future. and i wanted to know if i was justified in giving -ve feedback

Well, it's always nicer to work it out with the seller before leaving negative feedback. You'd be surprise how reasonable people are sometimes.

If it's just a minor part of a deal, don't be a jerk to leave negative since everything else worked out. Just leave a note about the misunderstanding on a positive feedback.

At worst, I would leave a neutral feedback since it's partially your fault for not making sure. (But this depends what the "slang" was, and who's definition was more of a generally accepted term)

buzzard · May 5th, 2006, 15:56

ok, i will be specific; seller was selling a ps2, in the thread he said that it was missing the remote. when i got it, the controller was missing. when i questioned him about it he said "i call it remote here, i dont care what you say, i sayed remote, for me thats the same shit"

should i have asked him if he really meant controller instead of remote? or if he really meant xbox instead of ps2? (im not tring to be snotty, but ive been asking myself the same questions for the last few days)

thephenom · May 5th, 2006, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzzard

ok, i will be specific; seller was selling a ps2, in the thread he said that it was missing the remote. when i got it, the controller was missing. when i questioned him about it he said "i call it remote here, i dont care what you say, i sayed remote, for me thats the same shit"

should i have asked him if he really meant controller instead of remote? or if he really meant xbox instead of ps2? (im not tring to be snotty, but ive been asking myself the same questions for the last few days)

I think you are right on this case and the seller was misleading since controller is the general accepted term. Especially since the Original PS2 did come or have a remote (REAL remote to watch DVDs), so it's reasonable to assume that's what he was referring to.

If those were the words of the seller, I would leave a negative feedback, if he'd at least apologize about the confusion, it'd be a different story.

I would ask for some money back the seller to replace a controller.

Scarecrow · May 5th, 2006, 17:04

Gonepostal: Test the process this way... does eBay allow you to leave any feedback for anyone who you have not actually executed a transaction with? Absolutely not, no transaction took place so there is nothing to render a judgement on. The Trader Rating system here is based on the eBay system by design and intent. Work the logic backwards.

Because the d-board does not actually control the transaction itself, it can't know if two people have executed a transaction and thus the feedback system is left open, so it is left up to the buyer and seller to manage the feedback appropriately.

I get about 2 to 15 emails/PMs a day for buying. I do my best to get back to everyone in a timely manner, but, sometimes I don't and it takes someone a second email to remind me to get them a quote. I've *never* had anyone leave me negative feedback on that basis - its understood I am using my best effort and if a buyer does not receive a response from a potential seller on a query, its pre-purchase, and its understood that the buyer can choose to shop elsewhere if they feel underserviced. But it is NO basis for negative feedback.

If I was a mod, I'd not only reverse that negative feedback but also educate the person who left it on how the trader feedback system is meant to be used. If they continued to leave others negative feedback without sales, I'd suspend their account privledges on the basis of abusing their privledges.

MMMiles! · May 5th, 2006, 18:27

When the next version of the board comes online, trader feedback will be restricted to sales that concluded, I beleive - there will be an upgrade to the buy/sell section, most likely.

Not that this is to do with the problems in this thread, just fyi.

Scarecrow · May 5th, 2006, 18:37

Oh yeah, and if I operated on the basis of giving someone bad feedback for not replying to me after a quote, there'd be red all over the board...

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May 4th, 2006, 15:10	#17
quikstrike Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada	Gcoap: You were NOT commited to the sale man. If you EXCHANGED money, then negative him and take appropriate action. If not, stop whining. Big deal you have to wait a little longer for your battery. Crap happens in the world man, so suck it up and wait. In all honesty thats the bittersweet truth. If you don't like it, get a battery from someone else. Feedback is used to rate and TRANSACTION. Thats it. Nothing else. Even though people give negative feedback for flaking, I think thats bull. But thats my own opinion. Obviously if they were like oh I got the money!11!1one!1!eleven!1!1!! then made you blow off other sales, then fine, -, them. But deffinatley you are completely wrong in this case. __________________ FAQ-SEARCH *Ontario Airsoft WWII Reenactors* 101st Easy Company

May 4th, 2006, 15:48	#19
quikstrike Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada	But did you just read my post? Yes it is to note negative experience. But stuff like yours is not even a big deal. He said he was very busy, so its up to you to be polite and wait if you want to buy from him. If you think you are in the right to give him a -. Then he is in by all means in the right to - you. Just take it easy man. Wonder how many '-'s you may of given if you were part of the props canada order. Damn... I, and as well as others think you are in the wrong for doing so. Next time wait until the transaction is done. I could see if you sent money, and you got nothing deffinatley give a negative. If not, then chill a bit dude. And if he is taking too long, just drop it and find another seller. Never bite the hand that feeds you. __________________ FAQ-SEARCH *Ontario Airsoft WWII Reenactors* 101st Easy Company

May 4th, 2006, 15:54	#20
CalvinTat Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Red Deer	Read what Phenom, Grphyon, and quikstrike wrote, they have explained in pretty basic terms what the tradeback system is for and what you did wrong. People on ASC actually have LIVES (well, some of us do at least), Jobs, and responsibilities (Some of us have families). I doubt that selling something to you is #1 on their priority list. Also, learn how to check when the person was last online, thats a good way to see if they are just ignoring you or have actually been busy. What you did, imo is the same as someone leaving a negative rating on ebay for slow shipping. Cause we all know it is hardly the sellers fault (unless seller forgets to ship the package) that the company that ships the product is slow. __________________ RAINBOW SALAD!!!!! If practice makes perfect, yet nobody is perfect... Why practice?

May 4th, 2006, 13:11	#16
Gonepostal Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Toronto	Thank you I thought I was in the right but wanted to confirm. The last 2 weeks has been a whirlwind in my life. I am selling one battery to one guy because we confirmed shipping prices and what not. I thought the rest can wait. The neg feedback removed or not is not a big deal since I will be leaving the country and airsoft in Canada That's why I have been so busy contemplating a job offer and then setting up everything related to that. I just wanted to post this up to help to make sure this doesn't happen to someone else in the future.

May 4th, 2006, 15:18	#18
Gcoap Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Calgary	If i missunderstood the situations to use this in then pull it, but i had a negative experiance so i noted it as a warning for other people is that not what it is for?

May 4th, 2006, 16:18	#21
Gcoap Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Calgary	alright so i did use it in the wrong situation, and about me not checking if he had gotten the PM he did and he was online atlest once a day through out the five day period, said nothing about being busy.

May 4th, 2006, 17:54	#22
quikstrike Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario, Canada	Stop trying to cover yourself, if he had the time to message you between that 5 day period then that would mean he isn't busy now wouldn't it? Chill man. We've already said it all. If you still want it, contact him. If not. Then go look some more. Plus you are only 17. You are probably living at home, and go to high school and maybe have a part time job. Gonepostal is 23. Hes moving OUT OF THE COUNTRY. He's obviously damned busy. So relax, not like your in a huge rush man. __________________ FAQ-SEARCH *Ontario Airsoft WWII Reenactors* 101st Easy Company

May 5th, 2006, 14:07	#24
buzzard Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dartmouth ns	sorry to thread-jack, but what if a sale went through and when the item arrived to the buyer it was not as advertised? for instance, what if the seller used a local slang term to describe a part of the package which the buyer misunderstood as beiing something else. again, im sorry to thread-jack but i thought that this might also be useful to others in the future. and i wanted to know if i was justified in giving -ve feedback __________________ aka beefhole proud Labradorian

May 5th, 2006, 15:56	#26
buzzard Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: dartmouth ns	ok, i will be specific; seller was selling a ps2, in the thread he said that it was missing the remote. when i got it, the controller was missing. when i questioned him about it he said "i call it remote here, i dont care what you say, i sayed remote, for me thats the same shit" should i have asked him if he really meant controller instead of remote? or if he really meant xbox instead of ps2? (im not tring to be snotty, but ive been asking myself the same questions for the last few days) __________________ aka beefhole proud Labradorian

May 5th, 2006, 17:04	#28
Scarecrow A Total Bastard Trader rating Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tottenham	Gonepostal: Test the process this way... does eBay allow you to leave any feedback for anyone who you have not actually executed a transaction with? Absolutely not, no transaction took place so there is nothing to render a judgement on. The Trader Rating system here is based on the eBay system by design and intent. Work the logic backwards. Because the d-board does not actually control the transaction itself, it can't know if two people have executed a transaction and thus the feedback system is left open, so it is left up to the buyer and seller to manage the feedback appropriately. I get about 2 to 15 emails/PMs a day for buying. I do my best to get back to everyone in a timely manner, but, sometimes I don't and it takes someone a second email to remind me to get them a quote. I've never had anyone leave me negative feedback on that basis - its understood I am using my best effort and if a buyer does not receive a response from a potential seller on a query, its pre-purchase, and its understood that the buyer can choose to shop elsewhere if they feel underserviced. But it is NO basis for negative feedback. If I was a mod, I'd not only reverse that negative feedback but also educate the person who left it on how the trader feedback system is meant to be used. If they continued to leave others negative feedback without sales, I'd suspend their account privledges on the basis of abusing their privledges.

May 5th, 2006, 18:27	#29
MMMiles! Part man, part machine Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario	When the next version of the board comes online, trader feedback will be restricted to sales that concluded, I beleive - there will be an upgrade to the buy/sell section, most likely. Not that this is to do with the problems in this thread, just fyi.

May 5th, 2006, 18:37	#30
Scarecrow A Total Bastard Trader rating Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tottenham	Oh yeah, and if I operated on the basis of giving someone bad feedback for not replying to me after a quote, there'd be red all over the board...

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