Safety on TM Sig P226

[Styrak]

REAL P226'S DON'T HAVE SAFETIES! I think it was even mentioned in this thread. They're just double action pistols with a heavy trigger pull and a decocking lever.

[Amazing Rando]

Originally Posted by Danke

They're talking about airsoft here, not real steel Sigs.

The Japanese makers have a gentleman's agreement to add safeties to the fake pistols.

Originally Posted by ILLusion

As part of Japan's ASGK regulations, all airsoft guns must employ some use of a working safety mechanism, regardless of whether the real steel counterpart has a safety or not.

lolwut?

NO, this is BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. I have a Maruzen P99, and just like the mkI release of the real P99, it has no safety whatsoever.. no trigger lock, no slide lock. The only safety mechanism it employs is just a visual indicator - the firing pin protrudes externally when cocked and has a red tip for easy visibility. The P99AS and P99QA DO have a safety, and Maruzen models of the QA reflect this as well. The Maruzen models are approved by Walther, and so externally are exact replicas. Claiming that there is a regulation or agreement in this regard is pure fabrication.

The TM P226 GBB DOES have a safety - as indicated in Crunchmeister's post it is the slide-release lever. When pressed from the opposite side it locks the slide and prevents the trigger from being pulled more than about 1/4 travel. I'd also note that Crunchmeister's picture definitely appears to be the SIG commercial release of the Navy SEAL-edition P226, so this feature must be included on the real thing as well. If pugs144 claims he's never been taught to employ this, what purpose does it serve? The statement

the heavy initial double-action pull negates the need for an externally safety

seems somewhat laughable to me, but I view this from a civilian or police perspective where there are circumstances that the trigger may be pulled and suffer an accidental discharge - untrained people getting access to the weapon, criminals attempting to take the weapon, etc. This is why most newer semi-auto pistols have duty holsters for law enforcement with secure release mechanisms available as well. I would expect military personnel are trained to be more circumspect in dealing with live weapons than the public, hence no 'need' for a locking safety.

[Danke]

Sigh.

[Crunchmeister]

Originally Posted by Amazing Rando

I'd also note that Crunchmeister's picture definitely appears to be the SIG commercial release of the Navy SEAL-edition P226,

The pic I included is of a real steel P226, not an airsoft. I was at work at the time I made that post and that was the best pic I could find on google on a moment's notice. None of the airsoft pics I found showed that part in good enough detail.

[Danke]

So page 3 of your manual does not look like the one below, and your take down lever does not slide from left to right like a traditional trigger block safety?

Originally Posted by Amazing Rando

lolwut?

NO, this is BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. I have a Maruzen P99, and just like the mkI release of the real P99, it has no safety whatsoever.. no trigger lock, no slide lock. The only safety mechanism it employs is just a visual indicator - the firing pin protrudes externally when cocked and has a red tip for easy visibility. The P99AS and P99QA DO have a safety, and Maruzen models of the QA reflect this as well. The Maruzen models are approved by Walther, and so externally are exact replicas. Claiming that there is a regulation or agreement in this regard is pure fabrication.

The TM P226 GBB DOES have a safety - as indicated in Crunchmeister's post it is the slide-release lever. When pressed from the opposite side it locks the slide and prevents the trigger from being pulled more than about 1/4 travel. I'd also note that Crunchmeister's picture definitely appears to be the SIG commercial release of the Navy SEAL-edition P226, so this feature must be included on the real thing as well. If pugs144 claims he's never been taught to employ this, what purpose does it serve? The statement seems somewhat laughable to me, but I view this from a civilian or police perspective where there are circumstances that the trigger may be pulled and suffer an accidental discharge - untrained people getting access to the weapon, criminals attempting to take the weapon, etc. This is why most newer semi-auto pistols have duty holsters for law enforcement with secure release mechanisms available as well. I would expect military personnel are trained to be more circumspect in dealing with live weapons than the public, hence no 'need' for a locking safety.

[ppcsurfr]

I have a KSC P226R and I opened it up to see if they would employ the same Marui style safety on their Full Metal version.

Haha... No such thing! I could take out the takedown lever like the one on the real steel version and it works basically like the real steel version. NO SAFETY for KSC P226Rs just like the real steel P226.

The only safety on the P226 is the longer double action trigger pull. The Decocking lever does what it needs to do. These are better carried on "Condition Three" as this will mean that there isn't a round in the chamber. Similarly with airsoft pistols, you shouldn't carry them around in the safe zone with a chambered BB.

FYI, the takedown lever on the real steel P226 doesn't do anything at all but release the barrel and recoil spring so you can slide out the slide, barrel, and recoil spring with guide as one assembly. It is in no way connected to the trigger mechanism.

This is also the reason why the P226 has a 10lb trigger pull on DA and a 4.4lb trigger pull on SA. It's a DA/SA pistol.

The P226 is available in double/ single action or double action only semi-automatic versions. The double action type comes with a frame-mounted decocker and automated firing pin block whereas the double action only version comes minus the decocker. The decocker is used in the P226 in lieu of a safety lever, which works by lowering the hammer to the safety notch. This can be a little dangerous for people who are not used to such a safety arrangement.

That's for the real steel version. As someone said earlier, Tokyo Marui finds ways of integrating additional safety features on pistols which were never designed to have such safety features.

[White_knight]

did you read ANY of the post here other then the first one? we are talking about AIRSOFT sigs, and yes there is a safety, even my sig pro 2009 has a safety that the real SP 2009 doesnt, and yes it is a KSC, i have three KSC pistols they ALL have safetys, and all but the USP arent supposed to. even my kjw p229 has the same safety mentioned and that is a Taiwanese manufacturer. dont make me take pics, im tired.

[Crunchmeister]

Wow. Ressurrecting a 10 month old thread that's already been answered. Nice one.

[Danke]

I was just thinking the other day how Amazing Rando never answered my question. I hope he's not in a van down by the river.