Penalty for carrying an airsoft gun - what would it be?

[DannyMac]

Originally Posted by ATREYU

I never once said that are walking around with it, but that is exactly why it needs to be in a locked gun case. Try this one on for size, your car gets broken into. The gun wasn't in a locked case. Some asshole uses it to hold up a bank. Either he or someone else gets shot by a real weapon in the course of that crime. Guess who's on the hook now buddy?!....

Come on... are you now going to argue that your 30 dollar gun case with a lock on it is rock solid and some guy who breaks into your car would take it home and never ever be able to get inside? That's like saying that legal firearms owners should be responsible for murder if someone robs their house then kills someone with one of their guns. Who's being illogical now.

[Glock 18]

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/compliance...letin-19_e.asp

Read and learn:

Air Guns and Air Soft Guns
Air guns with a velocity of less than 500 feet per second are not considered firearms for licensing and registration purposes. For most other purposes, however, these air guns are considered to be firearms rather than replicas if their projectiles can cause serious injuries. Air guns that look like real firearms but that cannot cause serious injury fit the definition of a replica. In some cases, ballistic studies may be necessary to determine if a particular air gun can cause serious injury.

Some devices commonly known as "air soft" guns may qualify as replica firearms. For example, following a thorough assessment and a review of ballistic studies, the Chief Scientist for Firearms at the RCMP's Central Forensic Laboratory has determined that a line of electric guns, spring guns and gas-powered guns produced by the Tokyo Marui company are replica firearms because:

They closely resemble real firearms in size, colour, appearance and configuration, and
The projectiles that they fire are not likely to cause serious bodily injury.
Again, various makes and models may have to be assessed on a case-by-case basis

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by DannyMac

How is locked in a gun case different from inaccessible and out of sight? In either case he'll come across it first and I'm not going to lunge for it...

Difference being, if a police officer comes across a locked gun case, he'll ask what's inside. If a police officer comes across something that looks just like a real gun sitting at the bottom of a bag, he will ask you, after placing his hand on his sidearm, to step away from the car and keep your hands in the open. He will not check to see whether it's a real gun or not until after you're cuffed, because if you have one, you might have another. And from the information he currently has, you've already broken the law by improperly transporting a firearm.

[shaunr]

Originally Posted by DannyMac

but take for example a cop searches your car and sees a locked gun case. He's going to want to see what's in there I'm sure. When he sees what looks like a real gun in there is he going to be like "oh well that's nice of you to lock it away" or "where are your PAL papers".

And in a backpack wouldn't be considered a consealed weapon because?

[SHaKaL]

And BTW after being here for almost 3 months, you should have read the faqs...

[ATREYU]

Originally Posted by DannyMac

Come on... are you now going to argue that your 30 dollar gun case with a lock on it is rock solid and some guy who breaks into your car would take it home and never ever be able to get inside? That's like saying that legal firearms owners should be responsible for murder if someone robs their house then kills someone with one of their guns. Who's being illogical now.

If the weapons are stored according to the law, the owners of the weapons are not responsible. A person is responsible if they don't take all reasonable precautions as proscribed according to law.

[DannyMac]

Originally Posted by The Saint

Difference being, if a police officer comes across a locked gun case, he'll ask what's inside. If a police officer comes across something that looks just like a real gun sitting at the bottom of a bag, he will ask you, after placing his hand on his sidearm, to step away from the car and keep your hands in the open. He will not check to see whether it's a real gun or not until after you're cuffed, because if you have one, you might have another. And from the information he currently has, you've already broken the law by improperly transporting a firearm.

It's inside the original box though say for example. Real guns don't come in flashy looking cardboard boxes with chinese writing and bright colours on them. Like in the end I'd say that either way is going to get you cuffed and your gun taken in away in most cases.

And if this guy who says that maybe airsoft guns do actually qualify as replica firearms, then they would be outrightly illegal because the Canadian Firearms Center clearly states that:

"Replica firearms, except for replicas of antique firearms, are prohibited and cannot be brought into Canada."

So if what you've just posted is true, then having an airsoft gun in your car no matter how you carry it is breaking the law since you are in possession of a prohibited item.

[Lisa]

Danny, when everything and everyone points to yes and you still say no, maybe, just maybe you're wrong on the matter. Think about it, you've been shown the law on the matter, what a cop says is immaterial on the matter. I've had a cop tell me that I could turn left off a two way street onto a one way street at a red light. You can not do this how ever, and I would have been facing a ticket if a different cop saw me and the defence "But a cop said I could do it" doesn't hold in court.

And unless you're crossing the border into canada or flying in from another country your line about being prohibited and cannot be brought into Canada is not applicable.

Transport the gun like it's a real gun, this is common sense. You asked for the advice on that, you were told, arguing against that advice isn't going to change anything and just makes you look like a moron. A 2 point warning has been issued for trolling.

[BloodSport]

Darwin just shot himself out of embarrasment.

[Arnisador]

Originally Posted by DannyMac

Come on... are you now going to argue that your 30 dollar gun case with a lock on it is rock solid and some guy who breaks into your car would take it home and never ever be able to get inside? That's like saying that legal firearms owners should be responsible for murder if someone robs their house then kills someone with one of their guns. Who's being illogical now.

Ummm on a slight side note, thats EXACTLY what the anti-gun lobby in Canada is essentially pushing for. When someone breaks into a person's apartment, and spends a weekend cutting through a 3000 lb security vault in order to steal the collection of guns inside, its totally illogical that they should charge the gunowner with unsafe storage. Yet it happened only a month or two months ago in Ontario.

For that matter, read some of the sticky notes regarding legality of airsoft. There IS no straight answer, which is why we choose to err on the side of basic common sense and caution.

The current state of things like gun ownership or airsoft is such that things ARE illogical, and don't make any sense whatsover. It doesn't change the notion that for the time being, until legislation changes clearly addresses airsoft, that the majority of the airsoft community believes in and practices safe gun handling...even if these guns are toys.

If you don't like the answers, too fucking bad. Don't ask a question expecting to hear what you want to hear.