[MiniMcNabb]

Great reply Drake.

I am not sure as to your point Flaming Salami; are you just ranting or presenting a solution?

I guess part of the issue is the language used and how games are marketed to players. If we wanna speak in terms of language dressing up with guns and military gear and playing even a disorganized skirmish could be considered a (very basic) "milsim".

I think games are marketed for different reasons. I see what appears to be a lot of games marketed for profit. In the past a lot of quality games I've attended weren't huge and catered to the completion of the mission rather than pure entertainment.

We could compare to other recreational activities/games. A pickup floor hockey game is fun, short and action packed. Something like a spartan race or goruck challenge is less easy fun/entertainment and more about the completion of a challenge, sense of accomplishment and teamwork for the participants.

I think in Airsoft part of the conflict between the genres is the innacurate advertisement and misunderstanding. `Milsim` to me is clearly different than Flaming Salami`s interpretation; but thats ok. We all do this for our own reasons and why voluntarily submit to someone else idea of fun?

People see 'milsim' and that causes them to have expectations and then they draw assumptions about what to expect and then they risk disappointment.

Those who enjoy so continue to attend your battlefield themed games and I will continue to selectively seek games like dead fall. I don't see the problem with people playing games of any type and I encourage them to do as they please for their maximum enjoyment.

Like Drake said this issue comes up a lot and causes needless frustration. If games are marketed in a way that people understand what they are going to be doing for their weekend and don't make assumptions based on the word "milsim" it might cause less friction.

I don't want to show up to a game where I end up assaulting meaningless locations all day with hi-caps(and limiting the same basic idea to realcaps is not gonna fix that) just like someone who expects a full day of "action" wouldn't be happy or equipped to lay in an ambush in the rain for several hours waiting.