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bazacko April 28th, 2008 15:29

2700 mAh worth of Li-Po batteries inside my JG AUG (big pics)
 
As anyone who owns an AUG knows, the battery compartment is TINY. With standard cells, there's room for a 1500 mAh 9.6V, but that's about it.
I used to have a large 3300 mAh 8.4V NiMh battery strapped to the side of the gun, but I hated that. It was really heavy.
So the obvious solution (and the one potentially involving the most fire) was to go the Li-Po route!

The batteries I used are intended for an RC helicopter. I got them here:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.7621
Using the "bulkrate" coupon brought the price down under $7 each.

I wired them in parallel. Since each is 900 mAh, this means I have a total of 2700 mAh. Mind you, it's only 7.4 volts but these things are powerful. ROF was much higher than with the stock 8.4V mini. It was on par with the 8.4V large battery, or a 9.6V mini, both of which I've tested in my gun.

Here's a pic of all 3 after I soldered on the deans connectors:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-7/1267121/all.jpg

This pic blows my cover as an american :D
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-7/1267121/one.jpg

It fits! I made a harness to split my AUG's single deans connector into three. This way I can still use a single battery if I want.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-7/1267121/fit.jpg

The rubber buttplate goes on fine. No bulges!
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-7/1267121/stock.jpg

I'm really happy with how this turned out. I was keeping my fingers crossed that the ROF would be acceptable, and it definitely is. Plus, you can't argue with 2700 mAh INSIDE an AUG.

Any questions? :cool:

Jimski April 28th, 2008 16:00

Ahhhh!
I've been waiting for such a solution for some time.
You, sir, definitely deserve congratulations :)
It's also nice to know the ROF is correct.
good job! :)


ps: the whole thing would even be smaller with banana plugs.awesome.

bazacko April 28th, 2008 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimski (Post 705853)
Ahhhh!
I've been waiting for such a solution for some time.
You, sir, definitely deserve congratulations :)
It's also nice to know the ROF is correct.
good job! :)


ps: the whole thing would even be smaller with banana plugs.awesome.

Thanks!
But what do you mean by banana plugs? The only banana plugs I know of are bigger than deans connectors...

Jimski April 28th, 2008 16:35

http://www.onlybatteries.com/

there I got a battery mounted with gold plated banana plugs that are really small.

Tankdude April 28th, 2008 16:36

What do you have in mind for a low battery cutoff circuit?

Lipos don't like being discharged too much.

bazacko April 28th, 2008 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tankdude (Post 705879)
What do you have in mind for a low battery cutoff circuit?

Lipos don't like being discharged too much.

I guess I figured the gun wouldn't turn over once it got down to 6V, and I'd just stop firing when that happened :p
Is this a bad idea? I could always put together a simple circuit I suppose, at least until my uber-custom microcontroller-based mosfet project is realized :D

Styrak April 28th, 2008 17:15

Aren't you worried about....oh I don't know.....fire or exploding?

Also, relating to this, was this just a slip of the mouth, or intentional?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bazacko (Post 705829)
So the obvious solution (and the one potentially involving the most fire) was to go the Li-Po route!


bazacko April 28th, 2008 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 705910)
Aren't you worried about....oh I don't know.....fire or exploding?

Yep. I've been opening it up after every time I fire it, making sure the batteries aren't warm or swelled. I'll be less nervous after they've proven themselves in a few skirmishes. :p
The parallel configuration does increase the risk slightly. I figured I could keep the potential for explosion minimal by using the same brand/size cells. Plus I check the voltages with a multimeter before I plug them in.
Li-Po is the future! :cool:

Dynamo April 28th, 2008 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tankdude (Post 705879)
What do you have in mind for a low battery cutoff circuit?

Lipos don't like being discharged too much.

grab these http://projectwolfdragon.com/Products/LiPO-PCB.htm, and why not also grab one of these http://extreme-fire.com/SW-COMPUTER.html.
after that, you'll be peachy

bazacko April 28th, 2008 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 705983)
grab these http://projectwolfdragon.com/Products/LiPO-PCB.htm, and why not also grab one of these http://extreme-fire.com/SW-COMPUTER.html.
after that, you'll be peachy

I was planning on eventually building my own custom sw-computer (I'm studying electrical engineering and it'd be a cool project). I hate the AUG's trigger feel, and if I added some wires and some programming to the SW-computer, I could remove the huge clunky trigger linkage that runs through the gun. Maybe this summer when I have some time...
...Anyway, I think I'll take my chances for now. The first couple of battery cycles I'll keep a close eye on the voltage, to find out how much warning I get before it's down to 3.0V per cell. If I discharge one too much, it's a $7 mistake :p

Dirtbag April 28th, 2008 19:08

Not a good idea
 
Hey get a cheap led or other warning device for those lipos. You have two issues fire a very real danger and tanking the cells. I fly rc helis in my spare time,(when not playing airsoft). A more than few people have had on board fires or killed the batteries. A small warning LED under your sights would save you a world of grief.

bazacko April 28th, 2008 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtbag (Post 706011)
Hey get a cheap led or other warning device for those lipos. You have two issues fire a very real danger and tanking the cells. I fly rc helis in my spare time,(when not playing airsoft). A more than few people have had on board fires or killed the batteries. A small warning LED under your sights would save you a world of grief.

That's a good idea. I just may make a circuit to do that, and post more pics.

Dirtbag April 28th, 2008 20:26

You want some thing like this
 
Any hobby shop that carries LIpos and Rc Helis should have these but if not this is a good choice, I use it on all my heli's.


http://helihobby.com/html/lithium_batteries.html


Lightning Power Onboard Battery Monito




Stop flying while guessing when will your main pack run out. With this inexpensively little gadget you can fly with confidence. Simply hover in front of you and read out the bright LEDs. If one of the LEDs turn RED you know its time to land, its that simple. Designed for one to three cell Lithium batteries and plugs directly to the balancing plug.



9.99


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- Instructions:
- Match up the positive to positive and negative to negative terminals. In the event that positive and negative wires are mixed up, the Lightning Power Onboard Battery Monitor will not light up. No damage to the unit or battery will occur. just reverse the connection.
- Each cell is at or above 3.3 volts when the corresponding light is green ( ex. 3S Lithium Polymer pack @ 10 volts equals three solid green lights on the monitor)
- Whenever any cell drops below 3.3 volts, a red light will turn on. Tthe battery monitor will work only if the battery is under load ( ex. hovering the helicopter).

- The kit includes the following:
- Battery monitor
- Two 4.5 inch wire extensions (Thunder Power/ Flight Power and Lighting Power compatible)
- Double sided foam tape

Mitchell12 April 28th, 2008 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirtbag (Post 706011)
Hey get a cheap led or other warning device for those lipos. You have two issues fire a very real danger and tanking the cells. I fly rc helis in my spare time,(when not playing airsoft). A more than few people have had on board fires or killed the batteries. A small warning LED under your sights would save you a world of grief.


Flaming RC helicopters? Sounds like something I'd make.

bazacko April 28th, 2008 23:00

Unfortunately since I have 3 packs, I'd have to get 3 of those monitors, or just make one that alerts me when the overall voltage goes below 6.6 or so. Which is probably what I'll do. Like I said, one dead pack is not an expensive mistake, plus my airsoft gun doesn't need to hover.


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