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Chubby October 24th, 2007 18:14

ITW fastmag system
 
Hey this looks neat. What do you guys think?

YouTube - ITW Military Products: FAST MAG Demo

FOX_111 October 24th, 2007 19:24

It's a little bulky, but it's a good idea.

MadMorbius October 24th, 2007 21:06

Another solution looking for a problem. As someone who designs and build kit, I can tell you right now that it's fucking retarded.

What benefit does it provide over conventional mag pouches? If anything, it detracts. It takes up the spot a regular double mag pouch can occupy, and it only holds ONE MAG. It's open-topped, which is a no-go for sandy or dirty environments. Fully half your mag is exposed, and those were airsoft mags. AR mags are fully an inch longer than the AS equivalents.

Also, that guy bugs me. He's gotta be 4 feet tall...look at how big those mag pouches look on his plate carrier. Also note his gear is squeeky clean, so it's never seen much more than the basement he films in.

And lastly, if you're demoing a product, don't use airsoft to do it. Put a loaded 30 round mag in there so you can show how it reacts with the weight of a full-sized, fully loaded magazine.

Lakonian October 24th, 2007 21:46

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zd_mTonRIU

This seems nicer.

Farmboy October 24th, 2007 22:33

I played with one at CANSEC last year when I met with the rep for ITW. It works quite well however it is also quite large.

It is very well built and works just like it's designed however my though was a shingle can do the same thing with less space.

MrEvolution October 24th, 2007 22:42

I dont like how theres only a shock cord in certain scenarios, especially when upside down.
I know he jumped around and stuff but I still dont like it.

Ibby October 24th, 2007 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMorbius (Post 561663)
Another solution looking for a problem. As someone who designs and build kit, I can tell you right now that it's fucking retarded.

What benefit does it provide over conventional mag pouches? If anything, it detracts. It takes up the spot a regular double mag pouch can occupy, and it only holds ONE MAG. It's open-topped, which is a no-go for sandy or dirty environments. Fully half your mag is exposed, and those were airsoft mags. AR mags are fully an inch longer than the AS equivalents.

Also, that guy bugs me. He's gotta be 4 feet tall...look at how big those mag pouches look on his plate carrier. Also note his gear is squeeky clean, so it's never seen much more than the basement he films in.

And lastly, if you're demoing a product, don't use airsoft to do it. Put a loaded 30 round mag in there so you can show how it reacts with the weight of a full-sized, fully loaded magazine.

+1. The dude looks and sounds retarded to boot.
I just shot on the ranges today at work, in the rain. That thing would completely screw a mag if used in the prone position. Unless you like shooting mud at people. Takes up some serious acreage too. The issued CF tac vest, which I don't enjoy, works a lot better than that thing. It would also be broken in record time in arctic conditions. Just ask anyone who ever used the old Diemaco mags. The only thing I could see it being useful for is some sort of specialized match competition.

wey ferro October 25th, 2007 13:57

i think their intentions were cqb doorkickin steez but eagle already has a 50 times better pouch that takes up less space

SINN October 25th, 2007 14:19

man, that was the best video i have seen in a long time. classic.

LUTNIT October 25th, 2007 14:44

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Originally Posted by kos (Post 561707)

I saw that too but can't find any info on it...

Goodl2ussian October 25th, 2007 14:52

i couldnt take any of those videos seriously...especially with the midget hopping around like he did too much speed.

ThunderCactus October 25th, 2007 15:38

http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index....ROD&ProdID=336
It's good if your only planning on carrying 4 mags, but its WAY too bulky, and I can't see it being faster to use than a triple mag pouch with ranger plate magpuls.

H-G October 25th, 2007 16:43

A few things.
Milspec Monkey is not and never was a soldier. He worked on the development of the video game America's Army, and is well known on a few U.S. based warfare forums, but that is about it.
The pouch itself is appears too large for what it offers, though I think they could improve it by adding PALS to the outside. The solid polymer would probably be much more supportive to pouches attached to the exterior than any empty nylon shingle.
There are communities that could benefit from a product, though the active U.S. military is probably not going to be one of them. Race shooters and LEO / SWAT types will likely find this product to be more useable, as their equipment is often exposed to cleaner environments for much less extend periods of time. High speed reloading and low ammo requirements are a few other reasons why this product would be useful to them.
All feedback that I've ever heard from the active U.S. military community has led me to belive that storing magazines in anything other than pouches mounted in the upright position in a combat environment is just asking for trouble (this is why the BALCS armor carrier was so rarely seen with pouches actually mounted on it outside of training). As I said, Milspec Monkey was never really exposed to combat in the way other soldiers might be, so I'm not completely sold on the idea of mounting these things upsidown.
Attaching these pouches to a vest strikes me as a waste of space. I think having them on a belt, or even a low profile drop leg rig would be a much better place for them.

Much like Camelbak's delta 5 vest, this product strikes me as something that would have been much more successful if it was released 5-10 years ago. Kydex and polymer magazine holders have existed for a while, and Eagle Industries has successfully adapted them to PALS equipment some time ago.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on the subject.

wey ferro October 25th, 2007 16:53

true dat homie
but if you are gonna put somehtingthat huge anywhere on you why wouldnt you just use bladetach or eagle... they take up nearly half the space.

H-G October 25th, 2007 17:00

Exactly, other companies have been doing it better for longer.


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