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Eien September 14th, 2012 17:40

It looks purrrtttyyy.

kullwarrior September 14th, 2012 20:24

I wish this is a GBB...
Would be interested to see the comparison between Izmash to LCT. LCT claim to use RS process.

Off_kilter September 16th, 2012 08:39

Apparently price is going to be $820 usd in Russia... :(

kullwarrior September 16th, 2012 12:14

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Originally Posted by Off_kilter (Post 1703658)
Apparently price is going to be $820 usd in Russia... :(

Does a real AK74 cost that much?

They need a smack in the face. Who's going to buy it?

Average Russian's monthly pay won't be able to afford it.

Exports....they're fighting a lot of compeititors.
--Real Sword already dominates the high end airsoft AK with Type 56 (most insurgents in middle east runs either AKM or Type 56)
--LCT is another high end external...at nearly 1/3 of the price
--VFC is another mid-high end at 1/2 the price

I can't really see them going successful with this.
If they can make GBB with the same internal parts material as AK74 I can totally see a problem for all AK GBB manufacture.

wildcard September 16th, 2012 13:06

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703702)
If they can make GBB with the same internal parts material as AK74 I can totally see a problem for all AK GBB manufacture.

That would also prevent it from being imported here if it were to be made with the same material as the real version especially to the very talented and the expertise of ATF down in the states.

kullwarrior September 16th, 2012 13:20

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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1703710)
That would also prevent it from being imported here if it were to be made with the same material as the real version especially to the very talented and the expertise of ATF down in the states.

you gotta realize that same material does not mean same part or interchangeable internal parts with AK74.

wildcard September 16th, 2012 13:43

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703712)
you gotta realize that same material does not mean same part or interchangeable internal parts with AK74.

You forgot the ATF "Expert" notes on how the WE M4 with the right knowledge and expertise can be converted to fire real bullets? Or the Seizure of "replica" AK that police claimed to be made with the same material from the real steel counterpart factory that can be converted to fire actual 7.62 ammo Lol.

kullwarrior September 16th, 2012 15:05

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Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1703719)
You forgot the ATF "Expert" notes on how the WE M4 with the right knowledge and expertise can be converted to fire real bullets? Or the Seizure of "replica" AK that police claimed to be made with the same material from the real steel counterpart factory that can be converted to fire actual 7.62 ammo Lol.

ATF retracted the claim on the WE M4
ATF did made a JG M4 fire (From what I recall, the receiver was destroyed within 10 rounds)
The RCMP seizure of the replica AK was because it use the same exact receiver for the Type 56 without modification

This is a can of worms you're opening to.

An originally designed receiver fitted with airsoft/replica stuff = bad
An originally designed receiver modified slightly to make tit airsoft/replica = grey zone
specifically design receiver for airsoft/replica = less problemanic.
LCT claim they use the same manufacturing process, material for its AK build (GHK uses LCT external for its AK)

wildcard September 16th, 2012 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703739)
ATF retracted the claim on the WE M4
ATF did made a JG M4 fire (From what I recall, the receiver was destroyed within 10 rounds)
The RCMP seizure of the replica AK was because it use the same exact receiver for the Type 56 without modification

This is a can of worms you're opening to.

An originally designed receiver fitted with airsoft/replica stuff = bad
An originally designed receiver modified slightly to make tit airsoft/replica = grey zone
specifically design receiver for airsoft/replica = less problemanic.
LCT claim they use the same manufacturing process, material for its AK build (GHK uses LCT external for its AK)

The ATF thing got retracted after all the other more qualified expert recovered from laughing so hard and informed the idiot he was wrong.
I don't think you catch my attempt on seeing it on the humourous side of all this. try to picture this you are a ATF/CBSA agent working your normal shift and this box arrive you checked it, its a AK variant from izmash, quick google-fu or through your limited knowledge of Airsoft and firearms you set off alarm bells in the office, only later on you find out it's just a freakin toy. where is your imagination? i could totally see that happening.
Manufacturing process and actual use of material advertising can be in a different version through human intrepertation or error be depicted as the same as real steel counterparts ie. PMS from japan eons ago use to make metal body for MP5, we (HotShots) brought in a few body kits and a few more complete AEG. by some miracle or act of God CBSA discover the original advertising on Combat magazine (before the age of internet) claiming to be 100%accurate weight and material of the real thing guess how many alarm bells were sounded, I believe that AEG is still at the RCMP testing center along with the others we sent for testing.

pancakedestroyer September 16th, 2012 15:22

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703739)
The RCMP seizure of the replica AK was because it use the same exact receiver for the Type 56 without modification

Wrong Ying.

They were modified. The RCMP said you could convert them back with a little work to an AK(Type 56).

You really should just stop while your not ahead.

boren93 September 17th, 2012 02:33

Izmash is indeed bankrupt as of April 2012 but this probably won't stop much of it's production as they are going into the airsoft buisness.

YkudzA September 17th, 2012 09:35

http://www.strikeup.ru/uploads/image...d4a66.view.jpg
http://www.strikeup.ru/uploads/image...7a4e6.view.jpg

more info and photos - http://airsoft4you.ru/pro-airsot/izh...deo-rost-2012/

1) Light weight
2) w/o backlash
3) AK74 will "eat" both china`s magazines and Izhmash magazines
4) On the presentation it was Cyma gearbox (3rd version) but Izhmash representer said that the gearbox will be another firm and.. 492 FPS in stock
5) The airsoft gun will have own hop-up (Izhmash)
6) no inner barrel: forged barrel 6,03-6,02 (see the image above )
7) Will be gas guns? Probably will be SVD and SVD-S

Off_kilter September 17th, 2012 09:42

#6 sketches me out. No inner barrel is worrisome. I hope that thats wrong

COL.TIKER September 17th, 2012 09:47

"w/o backlash" ??
As in no blowback?

Spike September 17th, 2012 09:52

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Originally Posted by Off_kilter (Post 1703949)
#6 sketches me out. No inner barrel is worrisome. I hope that thats wrong

Look at the pic, the inner is attached to the outer. Weird, but I assume it would eliminate any wobble... as long as the barrel quality is good it shouldn't be an issue, though you wouldn't be able to replace it.


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