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Kingsix July 13th, 2012 15:04

Realsword is to Norinco as Izmash is to Izmash
 
So it appears Izmash has entered into the AEG market. Although not the first time the company has tried to venture into the Airsoft market. The last time would be the yunker-5 C02 NBB rifle in 6mm. The new rifle is a Replica of a AK-74.

My own thoughts are it better be made of steel and reasonably priced as these will be mass manufactured.

http://www.izhmash.ru/pix/news/airsoft.jpg
From the Izmash site (translated via google)

Izhmash WILL ISSUE airsoft ARMS FALL 2012

In early July 2012 in the Design and Technology Centre NGO "Izhmash" complete design and manufacture the first prototype of the AK-74M version of airsoft, destined to play airsoft.

For fans of fighting games designer claimed today Izhmash developed electro-arms, in which a shot is provided by an engine running on battery.

Appearance, weight, shape and dimensions of the product are identical famous AK-74M. Weapon can fire single shots as well as bursts.
АК-74М в версии airsoft

Technical rate - 800 rounds per minute. Forged barrel caliber 6.03 mm manufactured using technologies similar to those for which the samples are fighting AK, and provides high accuracy of the results. Just shoot an AK-74M airsoft version of the classic no ammunition, and balls with a diameter of 6 mm.
Ижмаша разработал электропневматическое оружие

The initial rate of approximately 135 m / s, but may vary depending on the weight of the bullet is fired, and firing power plant. Tests of the first sample of the AK-74M airsoft versions, have already taken place. When firing from a distance of 50 meters diameter bullets scatter did not exceed 30 cm, for airguns shot with low energy (less than 7.5 kJ) is more than worthy exponent.

Among the other advantages of electro-weapons designer noted morozoustoy-bility, ease of loading, repeating, ease of use and safety, as well as

durability and lack of restrictions on its distribution.

As the technology version of airsoft are very similar to the production of military AK-74M, the plant plans to enter the mass production of this product in September 2012.

According to experts, the demand for the product will grow in proportion to the popularity of airsoft games, which is constantly gaining momentum (now officially registered 40,000 players in airsoft, and most of them have a few weapons for the game). Also, the AK-74M will be in demand for recreational shooting, and basic military training of youth in the DOSAAF.

Brian McIlmoyle July 13th, 2012 15:21

sure hope they don't use real receivers

Kokanee July 13th, 2012 15:23

GBBR or GTFO

Latvian291 July 13th, 2012 15:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokanee (Post 1678365)
GBBR or GTFO


baaaaaaah!

I agree btw.

Cliffradical July 13th, 2012 16:08

Well, shit. On the one hand, we don't really need another AK on the market. One the other hand

SuperCriollo July 13th, 2012 16:12

http://www.matthewratzloff.com/blog/...e-my-money.jpg

Gish July 13th, 2012 16:28

As cool as Izmash as a name will be what can they really bring to the Airsoft AK market that VFC/LCT hasn't already done? Slim grips? That would mean a new motor and judging by the picture it's probably 3rd party V3 Cyma or similar mechboxes. I highly doubt they'll take the time to design any kind of new mechbox.
Now if they can bring a full steel good quality build for a fraction of the price as a VFC/LCT then that would be something.

Strelok July 13th, 2012 16:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliffradical (Post 1678383)
Well, shit. On the one hand, we don't really need another AK on the market. One the other hand

You could say that ,but we also don't need 50,000 more M4's put out on the market every year.

I like this :), Can get an Izmash AK to put into my collection now~

Desmodus July 13th, 2012 17:11

Great... I've barely even used my Real Sword and another nice AK74 gets put out. Fuck.

hattrick July 13th, 2012 20:37

Why does the wiki entry on izhmash say they are bankrupt?

Drake July 13th, 2012 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by hattrick (Post 1678480)
Why does the wiki entry on izhmash say they are bankrupt?

Izhmash operates in several fields, the same way as Mitsubishi makes cars, electronics, planes and heavy machinery. The small arms branch of Izhmash is arguably profitable but some other branch (automotive, IIRC) went bankrupt.

edit from wiki:

Quote:

IzhAvto, the car building branch of the company filed for bankruptcy in August 2009.

Kingsix July 15th, 2012 02:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 1678494)
IzhAvto, the car building branch of the company filed for bankruptcy in August 2009.

The Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.


It appears to be pretty true :D

kullwarrior July 15th, 2012 03:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingsix (Post 1678900)
The Kalashnikov has become the Russian people's greatest export. After that comes vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists. One thing is for sure, no one was lining up to buy their cars.


It appears to be pretty true :D

You do know Lord of Wars movie was supported by various gun control groups right? (The ones the favor UN ATT)

Latvian291 July 15th, 2012 05:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con3jo (Post 1678406)
Great... I've barely even used my Real Sword and another nice AK74 gets put out. Fuck.

Realsword doesn't make an AK-74.. that's part of the problem. No really nice ones, to my knowledge, exist yet.

Desmodus July 15th, 2012 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latvian291 (Post 1678907)
Realsword doesn't make an AK-74.. that's part of the problem. No really nice ones, to my knowledge, exist yet.

Unfortunately no, or any 100-series AK for that matter. Otherwise, if they did I would have those instead. :(

Shifty-C July 15th, 2012 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latvian291 (Post 1678907)
Realsword doesn't make an AK-74.. that's part of the problem. No really nice ones, to my knowledge, exist yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con3jo (Post 1678963)
Unfortunately no, or any 100-series AK for that matter. Otherwise, if they did I would have those instead. :(

YES, exactly, it is hard to find a really nice ak74. The classic army's are about as good as it gets for aeg's and i think they are discontinued actually.

Im looking forward to the release, Hopefully with lots of steel parts :)
And an AK-105 would be awesome.
the trades are a nice bonus too
They dont need to try to re invent the wheel with internals or slim grips.

just needs to be a bit better than cyma (not that difficult) and im sold.

SuperCriollo July 15th, 2012 22:28

Fuck the AK 74, I want this piece of ugly!

http://www.operatorchan.org/k/src/134090251789.jpg


One can dream...

ViR July 15th, 2012 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperCriollo (Post 1679176)
Fuck the AK 74, I want this piece of ugly!

http://www.operatorchan.org/k/src/134090251789.jpg


One can dream...

I was really enjoying this thread, and then I saw that ^^ and almost puked..

ViR July 15th, 2012 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1678364)
sure hope they don't use real receivers

Yea, gotta read up on that.. Not sure about Russian laws and real recievers..

Curo July 15th, 2012 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperCriollo (Post 1679176)
Fuck the AK 74, I want this piece of ugly!

http://www.operatorchan.org/k/src/134090251789.jpg


One can dream...

I agree that would awesome, buy in heartbeat.

Styrak July 16th, 2012 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViR (Post 1679184)
Yea, gotta read up on that.. Not sure about Russian laws and real recievers..

Pretty sure he was worried about Canadian law.

Yuu July 16th, 2012 20:16

screw that AK12 AEK-971 or AN94 PLEASE!

http://static.ogc.hu/images/content/.../AEK-971-1.jpg

SuperCriollo July 16th, 2012 22:27

Hey, it seems Izhmash already manufactures a "dummy" AK74. Maybe they are gonna use it as the base for their airsoft guns.

http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/mmg.shtml

ViR July 16th, 2012 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 1679240)
Pretty sure he was worried about Canadian law.

Yea, I know. I was thinking if its even allowed in Russia.. If not, then for sure we would have no problems here in Canada.

Shifty-C July 17th, 2012 09:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuu (Post 1679528)
screw that AK12 AEK-971 or AN94 PLEASE!

http://static.ogc.hu/images/content/.../AEK-971-1.jpg

I wouldnt mind those, we need something a little different. And the receiver doesnt look like it was crudely beatin into shape by a small child with a mallet and a piece of clay. as does the other one mentioned.

Styrak July 17th, 2012 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViR (Post 1679622)
Yea, I know. I was thinking if its even allowed in Russia.. If not, then for sure we would have no problems here in Canada.

We would have all the problems in Canada if that were the case.

Latvian291 July 18th, 2012 05:17

Izmash did use real receivers for their BB Makarov and Tokarev guns IIRC, although I don't think they had any trouble with Canadian law for some reason. Perhaps because they were re-manufactured at the factory into BB frames and no one knew about it really.

Polyshot July 25th, 2012 03:05

Quote:

Forged barrel caliber 6.03 mm manufactured using technologies similar to those for which the samples are fighting AK
Is that means that this will not have a inner/outer barrel?

Polyshot July 25th, 2012 03:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latvian291 (Post 1680148)
Izmash did use real receivers for their BB Makarov and Tokarev guns IIRC, although I don't think they had any trouble with Canadian law for some reason. Perhaps because they were re-manufactured at the factory into BB frames and no one knew about it really.

Baikal, NOT Izhmash, is the one who produce the Makarov(both real steel and Co2 version), as well as converting surplus Tokarev's, and Pa Pa Sha's(yes you read me right(using Drozd internals): PPSH shooting (пневматичесРий ППШ) MP-562k - YouTube) into CO2 bb guns.

It should be noticed that this is not Izhmash's first effort into the realm of airsoft: One version of their famous Yunker series of CO2 rifles(which are essentially the CO2 version of their AK-74 series), fires 6mm airsoft BBs instead of the usual 4.5mm steel BB's:

http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/product/yunker5.shtml

YkudzA September 4th, 2012 06:12

AK74M AIR demo 3 - YouTube

SuperCriollo September 4th, 2012 09:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by YkudzA (Post 1699219)

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/23255923.jpg

ShelledPants September 4th, 2012 10:12

Won't lie. Want.

ViR September 4th, 2012 10:39

Hmm, muzzle energy up to 3J?

Off_kilter September 4th, 2012 11:32

OMG I need that aeg!

Spike September 4th, 2012 11:59

Russian airsoft is srs bsns.

R.I.T.Z September 4th, 2012 12:17

Now I want one, just to test the hell out of it

Off_kilter September 4th, 2012 12:41

Useing it as a step and to carry guys nearly made me change my pants lol!

Kingsix September 4th, 2012 15:32

I want!

COL.TIKER September 4th, 2012 16:04

Was the one that broke while being stepped on one of these AKs or a Chinese replica? I think there was only Russian captions at the point in the video.

Porkchop September 4th, 2012 16:11

Lovely video, still don't need a second AK, though :)

Eien September 4th, 2012 16:27

Do want!

boren93 September 4th, 2012 17:30

Omg did the end titles say AN-94, SVD and PP-19 01 Vityaz?

The Keiichione September 4th, 2012 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by boren93 (Post 1699434)
Omg did the end titles say AN-94, SVD and PP-19 01 Vityaz?

It sure did !

YkudzA September 5th, 2012 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViR (Post 1699270)
Hmm, muzzle energy up to 3J?

no, AEG with more than 3J is illegal in Russia. So, Izhmash aeg will be less than 3J.

Quote:

Was the one that broke while being stepped on one of these AKs or a Chinese replica? I think there was only Russian captions at the point in the video.
Broken AK was Chinese replica.

Quote:

Omg did the end titles say AN-94, SVD and PP-19 01 Vityaz?
YES !:D

Desmodus September 5th, 2012 09:20

omfgggggggggggg AN-94 DO WANT.

Alceister September 5th, 2012 09:30

A New Challenger has Appeared!

Yuu September 5th, 2012 12:51

AN94? It a dream come true!

paulwes83 September 6th, 2012 22:03

All I can say is they better not use steel receivers that are the same as their real firearms. I got boned in the wallet having legally bought 2 of those Chinese air rifles a year ago from www.replicaairguns.com Turned out, they were real Type 56 and Type 56-B receivers with BB internals in them like the Yunker. RCMP deemed them to be illegal as someone with the money to burn and technological know-how could turn them into real Type 56s.

As long as they permanently alter the receiver or make a receiver that can't house real internals, I don't see anyone having a problem with it.

And c'mon guys REALLY, why WOULDN'T you want an AK AEG/GBB made by the original maker of the AK-47 and many of it's descendants?!!! How friggin cool is that?!!! If you've ever held a real Izhmash AK, you'll know what I'm talking about. If you haven't held one, go Vacay in Ukraine like I did. FREAKIN AWESOME!!!

jaymz1911 September 6th, 2012 23:08

Wow Izmash is getting desperate. Rumore has it that there having a hard time keeping there heads up financially... Its been heard they maybe going belly-up...

ViR September 6th, 2012 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaymz1911 (Post 1700402)
Wow Izmash is getting desperate. Rumore has it that there having a hard time keeping there heads up financially... Its been heard they maybe going belly-up...

If anything government is going to save them.

Izmash's new AK12 is almost done its design stage (sorry, video in Russian):
AK-12 new Kalashnikov assault rifle (with Eng subtitles) - YouTube

Styrak September 6th, 2012 23:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViR (Post 1700415)
If anything government is going to save them.

Izmash's new AK12 is almost done its design stage (sorry, video in Russian):
AK-12 new Kalashnikov assault rifle (with Eng subtitles) - YouTube

They actually sell more AK's to the US than they do to Russia!
Their civilian market/percentage is about 50%.

Kozzie September 6th, 2012 23:56

They should make an airsoft AK 12 instead, that selector switch looks amazing.

COL.TIKER September 7th, 2012 00:11

OP said the AK74M goes into mass production sept. of this year. Any updates on that?

mr_nuts31 September 7th, 2012 19:16

now what we need to do now is do a comparison test between the AK74M and the Real Sword Type 56 and try to break the externals

ViR September 8th, 2012 00:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_nuts31 (Post 1700709)
now what we need to do now is do a comparison test between the AK74M and the Real Sword Type 56 and try to break the externals

I'm pretty sure AK74M going to be stronger than RS Type 56-1..
RS is strong.. but not that strong :(

Kozzie September 8th, 2012 01:31

I'll never understand why people buy the 56-1, the under fold stock is such shit... uh... I mean in my opinion the under folding stock is not as good as the full stock or the side folding 56-2. :D

If you're going to do a durability test use the 56-2, the stock on that thing is bombproof.

TaroBear September 8th, 2012 14:17

If I bought a 56-1, I'd just take the stock off. I have little faith in "wire" stocks. Granted, most of my long guns are folding stock types, but the design of the thinner types just worries me.

ViR September 8th, 2012 14:45

Well, real AK underfolding stock is probably a lot stonger than Realsword's..
Full stock is "too big" and Type 56-2 is plastic..

Kozzie September 8th, 2012 15:42

I had wooden handguards and pistol grip on my 56-2 for a while it looked bad ass.

COL.TIKER September 14th, 2012 17:13

rumor is that its gonna cost $550 USD.
http://forum.guns.ru/forums/icons/fo...03/6603003.jpg
http://forum.guns.ru/forums/icons/fo...02/6602884.jpg
http://forum.guns.ru/forums/icons/fo...02/6602842.jpg

Eien September 14th, 2012 17:40

It looks purrrtttyyy.

kullwarrior September 14th, 2012 20:24

I wish this is a GBB...
Would be interested to see the comparison between Izmash to LCT. LCT claim to use RS process.

Off_kilter September 16th, 2012 08:39

Apparently price is going to be $820 usd in Russia... :(

kullwarrior September 16th, 2012 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Off_kilter (Post 1703658)
Apparently price is going to be $820 usd in Russia... :(

Does a real AK74 cost that much?

They need a smack in the face. Who's going to buy it?

Average Russian's monthly pay won't be able to afford it.

Exports....they're fighting a lot of compeititors.
--Real Sword already dominates the high end airsoft AK with Type 56 (most insurgents in middle east runs either AKM or Type 56)
--LCT is another high end external...at nearly 1/3 of the price
--VFC is another mid-high end at 1/2 the price

I can't really see them going successful with this.
If they can make GBB with the same internal parts material as AK74 I can totally see a problem for all AK GBB manufacture.

wildcard September 16th, 2012 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703702)
If they can make GBB with the same internal parts material as AK74 I can totally see a problem for all AK GBB manufacture.

That would also prevent it from being imported here if it were to be made with the same material as the real version especially to the very talented and the expertise of ATF down in the states.

kullwarrior September 16th, 2012 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1703710)
That would also prevent it from being imported here if it were to be made with the same material as the real version especially to the very talented and the expertise of ATF down in the states.

you gotta realize that same material does not mean same part or interchangeable internal parts with AK74.

wildcard September 16th, 2012 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703712)
you gotta realize that same material does not mean same part or interchangeable internal parts with AK74.

You forgot the ATF "Expert" notes on how the WE M4 with the right knowledge and expertise can be converted to fire real bullets? Or the Seizure of "replica" AK that police claimed to be made with the same material from the real steel counterpart factory that can be converted to fire actual 7.62 ammo Lol.

kullwarrior September 16th, 2012 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcard (Post 1703719)
You forgot the ATF "Expert" notes on how the WE M4 with the right knowledge and expertise can be converted to fire real bullets? Or the Seizure of "replica" AK that police claimed to be made with the same material from the real steel counterpart factory that can be converted to fire actual 7.62 ammo Lol.

ATF retracted the claim on the WE M4
ATF did made a JG M4 fire (From what I recall, the receiver was destroyed within 10 rounds)
The RCMP seizure of the replica AK was because it use the same exact receiver for the Type 56 without modification

This is a can of worms you're opening to.

An originally designed receiver fitted with airsoft/replica stuff = bad
An originally designed receiver modified slightly to make tit airsoft/replica = grey zone
specifically design receiver for airsoft/replica = less problemanic.
LCT claim they use the same manufacturing process, material for its AK build (GHK uses LCT external for its AK)

wildcard September 16th, 2012 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703739)
ATF retracted the claim on the WE M4
ATF did made a JG M4 fire (From what I recall, the receiver was destroyed within 10 rounds)
The RCMP seizure of the replica AK was because it use the same exact receiver for the Type 56 without modification

This is a can of worms you're opening to.

An originally designed receiver fitted with airsoft/replica stuff = bad
An originally designed receiver modified slightly to make tit airsoft/replica = grey zone
specifically design receiver for airsoft/replica = less problemanic.
LCT claim they use the same manufacturing process, material for its AK build (GHK uses LCT external for its AK)

The ATF thing got retracted after all the other more qualified expert recovered from laughing so hard and informed the idiot he was wrong.
I don't think you catch my attempt on seeing it on the humourous side of all this. try to picture this you are a ATF/CBSA agent working your normal shift and this box arrive you checked it, its a AK variant from izmash, quick google-fu or through your limited knowledge of Airsoft and firearms you set off alarm bells in the office, only later on you find out it's just a freakin toy. where is your imagination? i could totally see that happening.
Manufacturing process and actual use of material advertising can be in a different version through human intrepertation or error be depicted as the same as real steel counterparts ie. PMS from japan eons ago use to make metal body for MP5, we (HotShots) brought in a few body kits and a few more complete AEG. by some miracle or act of God CBSA discover the original advertising on Combat magazine (before the age of internet) claiming to be 100%accurate weight and material of the real thing guess how many alarm bells were sounded, I believe that AEG is still at the RCMP testing center along with the others we sent for testing.

pancakedestroyer September 16th, 2012 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1703739)
The RCMP seizure of the replica AK was because it use the same exact receiver for the Type 56 without modification

Wrong Ying.

They were modified. The RCMP said you could convert them back with a little work to an AK(Type 56).

You really should just stop while your not ahead.

boren93 September 17th, 2012 02:33

Izmash is indeed bankrupt as of April 2012 but this probably won't stop much of it's production as they are going into the airsoft buisness.

YkudzA September 17th, 2012 09:35

http://www.strikeup.ru/uploads/image...d4a66.view.jpg
http://www.strikeup.ru/uploads/image...7a4e6.view.jpg

more info and photos - http://airsoft4you.ru/pro-airsot/izh...deo-rost-2012/

1) Light weight
2) w/o backlash
3) AK74 will "eat" both china`s magazines and Izhmash magazines
4) On the presentation it was Cyma gearbox (3rd version) but Izhmash representer said that the gearbox will be another firm and.. 492 FPS in stock
5) The airsoft gun will have own hop-up (Izhmash)
6) no inner barrel: forged barrel 6,03-6,02 (see the image above )
7) Will be gas guns? Probably will be SVD and SVD-S

Off_kilter September 17th, 2012 09:42

#6 sketches me out. No inner barrel is worrisome. I hope that thats wrong

COL.TIKER September 17th, 2012 09:47

"w/o backlash" ??
As in no blowback?

Spike September 17th, 2012 09:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Off_kilter (Post 1703949)
#6 sketches me out. No inner barrel is worrisome. I hope that thats wrong

Look at the pic, the inner is attached to the outer. Weird, but I assume it would eliminate any wobble... as long as the barrel quality is good it shouldn't be an issue, though you wouldn't be able to replace it.

YkudzA September 17th, 2012 09:54

Quote:

#6 sketches me out. No inner barrel is worrisome. I hope that thats wrong
Yes, NO inner barrel. An Yes, it is *******
Quote:

"w/o backlash" ??
As in no blowback?
the airsoft gun was made without any backlash/play. The quality of assembly is perfect.

sorry for English =\

SuperCriollo September 17th, 2012 10:47

Cyma gearbox...... you can say goodbye to 1:1 dimensions :(

Enjoi September 17th, 2012 10:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con3jo (Post 1678406)
Great... I've barely even used my Real Sword and another nice AK74 gets put out. Fuck.

You dont play that often anyways Oscar =P

Desmodus September 17th, 2012 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enjoi (Post 1703971)
You dont play that often anyways Oscar =P

.....YEA WELL YOU KNOW WHAT!?



Your right...... :(

Kingsix September 17th, 2012 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Off_kilter (Post 1703949)
#6 sketches me out. No inner barrel is worrisome. I hope that thats wrong

I wonder if they are going to chrome line the barrel then. On the bright side not having a inner barrel will mean your barrel will be made of steel instead of softer metals like brass or aluminum.

m102404 September 17th, 2012 14:27

It could be a liner barrel type setup...I doubt they would machine the barrel to those tolerances, then ream and polish it.

Chroming an uneven bore just results in a shiny uneven bore.

Enjoi September 18th, 2012 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Con3jo (Post 1703976)
.....YEA WELL YOU KNOW WHAT!?



Your right...... :(

Did you see my Sexy new Type97? =D

Horilka September 19th, 2012 16:06

Looks more like curio collector item, rather than airsoft item. It's a failure IMO.

YkudzA October 15th, 2012 02:02

Standart gearbox v3.
Gerabox, gear and other componets compatible with Tokyo Marui
492 FPS in stock
Own (custom) hop-up but will be compatible with any "Tokyo Marui standart" hop-up

Marking «ИЖ-124» and «Кал. 6,0 мм» will changed to "УТВ" (учебно-тренировочная винтовка/training rifle).

Price:
From $905 to $1000 USD. Magazine - $55. The stock version will be delivered with 4 magazines.

12 photo

Kingsix October 15th, 2012 04:02

Ижевский ÑÑ‚Ñ€Ð°Ð¹ÐºÐ±Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÐ½Ñ Ð¹ АК 74Ðœ на выставке РОСТ 2012 - YouTube

Picture is worth a million words, so video is worth a thousand pictures.

The price of the rifle is making it almost seem like the new AK PTW.

kullwarrior October 15th, 2012 04:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horilka (Post 1704882)
Looks more like curio collector item, rather than airsoft item. It's a failure IMO.

Not a surprise,
Had they clone the PTW internal it would've been much more....appealing

Dynamo October 15th, 2012 07:19

how would they clone a PTW internals? Systema doesn't make AKs. the MP5 and M4s use similar parts, but they are not all interchangeable. an AEG MP5 & M4 both share the V2 gearbox, where as an AK can only fit a V3, so a PTWish system would have to be designed to fit inside those dimension.

Gish October 15th, 2012 12:23

Wow i'm wondering what they are thinking with those prices. I understand it's an AK made from the actual factory that makes AK's. And don't get me wrong it does look good but good enough to command a price twice as high as the current high end AK replica?

And speaking of AK PTW rumors are Fight Club are developing one.

wildcard October 15th, 2012 12:40

not rumors they ARE!

Desmodus October 15th, 2012 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by YkudzA (Post 1713992)
Standart gearbox v3.

Price:
From $905 to $1000 USD. Magazine - $55. The stock version will be delivered with 4 magazines.

Wow, for that price? Screw that :/ completely unattainable on a student budget.

:(

Brian McIlmoyle October 15th, 2012 14:20

question still unanswered.. are they using real AK receivers? because if so.. it's prohibited in Canada

SuperCriollo October 15th, 2012 14:30

If they are using Cyma gearboxes or other TM compatible, probably not.

Brian McIlmoyle October 15th, 2012 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperCriollo (Post 1714175)
If they are using Cyma gearboxes or other TM compatible, probably not.

probably is not for certain..


Id rather not buy one of these things and then have the RCMP tactical unit kick down my door and bust me for possession of a prohibited firearm.

They did exactly that when the China made BB guns were mistakenly permitted for import with re-manufactured type 56 receivers.

kullwarrior October 15th, 2012 14:52

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Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1714171)
question still unanswered.. are they using real AK receivers? because if so.. it's prohibited in Canada

AFAIK Any Ver III gearbox will have to gut out extensively to the point there's not much left (material wise) inside.

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Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 1714013)
how would they clone a PTW internals? Systema doesn't make AKs. the MP5 and M4s use similar parts, but they are not all interchangeable. an AEG MP5 & M4 both share the V2 gearbox, where as an AK can only fit a V3, so a PTWish system would have to be designed to fit inside those dimension.

Cloning does NOT mean you do copy, paste. I'm talking about stealing an idea. PTW Hop-up System, PTW Gearbox, motor (please fix the issue though), cylinder etc.
It's not impossible.

Brian McIlmoyle October 15th, 2012 14:55

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior (Post 1714180)
AFAIK Any Ver III gearbox will have to gut out extensively to the point there's not much left (material wise) inside.
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if it starts it's life as an AK receiver.. it does not matter how much it's modified.. it's always an AK receiver as far as the RCMP is concerned.

Gato October 15th, 2012 16:56

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Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle (Post 1714177)
probably is not for certain..


Id rather not buy one of these things and then have the RCMP tactical unit kick down my door and bust me for possession of a prohibited firearm.

They did exactly that when the China made BB guns were mistakenly permitted for import with re-manufactured type 56 receivers.

Yeah, the same people brought us the Type 97 fiasco. I highly doubt they're using real recievers, but as you state, doubt isn't fact. I'd also like some clarification on this.

kullwarrior October 15th, 2012 21:25

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Originally Posted by Gato (Post 1714245)
Yeah, the same people brought us the Type 97 fiasco. I highly doubt they're using real recievers, but as you state, doubt isn't fact. I'd also like some clarification on this.

If it is, I really wonder how if the Russian government will prevent export.

WWPierre November 16th, 2012 20:01

I would pay a grand for one of these. Even though I have two perfectly good AKs already. The cachet is worth it. I doubt it would ever drop in value. A Timex keeps as good time as a Rolex, but people still buy Rolex.


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