Looking for a Bullpup (Not the canine ones)
 

Hi All,

I'm new to the whole airsoft deal. I'm trying to look for a decent-great bullpup design gun to start out with. Quite simply I love bullpup designs. I was looking at an S&T Tar-21 Professional, but I can't get that shipped over, due to obvious reasons.

Any suggestions for a nice looking, decent-great quality bullpup AEG for ~200-300$?

All help is appreciated.

Get age verified and we can show you where to get all kinds of things, even a Tavor in country.

If bull-pup is what you're interested in, there are several platforms, and several variants of each platform.

- AUG
- Tavor
- L85
- Famas

To name a few. There are several retailers and reviews you'll have access to once your verified. To find an AV'r in your area check the "regional representative" section in the forums.

AV rules:
- 18 years of age or more
- In person only
- present government issued photo ID to AV'r upon meeting them.

I'm trying to do so. I'm just wondering suggestions for now. I really do want to get access to the classified, as I know you can get a higher-priced gun for cheaper since it's used. I'm attempting to become age-verified. I'm most interested in the Tavor and the Famas variants.

not much available in terms of famas... it's a choice between marui and cybergun... and the marui one was the very first ever aeg... it has a v1 gearbox... it is the ONLY gun to have a v1 gearbox and thus there are no parts for it, since the norm is v2 and v3. The only real choice for a famas would be the cybergun version, since whoever makes it redesigned the gearbox bay to hold a standard v2/3 gearbox, so there are parts available.

The next problem is finding mags if you find the gun. As much as you would like a famas, it would probably be best to pass on it for the sake of game-ability.

You guys left out the P90. For airsoft, it's a very potent AEG. It's gearbox is indestructible and it can old a large battery with very minimal and easy modification.
It's only drawback is the 50rnd mags that are large and inconveniants.

I used to run play with a TM P90tr upgraded to 350fps. Carried 5 lowcaps in games in a custom vest. It was awsome.

well it sounded like he wanted a carbine or longarm rather than an smg/pdw.

Yeah, I'm most definitely looking for a carbine. Don't get me wrong, I love the P90, and in the future when I've played the game for a while I'll probably end up owning one. For now though I want the versatility of the carbine-type bullpup guns.

Sad to hear about the FAMAS. It's a gorgeous gun. And ambidextrous. Is there any way to convert the TAR-21 so that the Mode selector and cocking mechanism is on the right side of the gun? I shoot left-handed.

not possible as far as I know. Those guns that do have ambi selectors have weird devices that pass through or around the gearbox to access the physical plate that does the fire selecting. All this is located on the left face of the gearbox on a v2 and v3. The mechanics are build on the left side of the gears and gearbox. As a lefty shooter you're either going to have to get used to the selectors being right friendly or pick a gun that is ambi friendly, which will expand your search to outside bullpup designs.

Choices are pretty limited... some mp5s, scar, g36, I think the masada, kac-pdw.

It's way over your budget but should be mentioned, a Real Sword Type 97. I believe I read they are made by Norinco which is a real-steel gun manufacturer in China. I've heard others described them as making the PTW of AKs so I imagine their Type 97s must be a thing of beauty as well.

in some circles that doesn't mean a whole lot.

From what I recall bullpups aegs available in airsodlft are:

-AUG
-Type 97
-P90
-PDR
- APS UAR
- L85
-FAMAS
-Tavor

You might want to check the APS UAR, I've heard good things about it, even though APS is a sketchy brand. Both the L85 and Type 97 aren't lefty friendly at all. Actually the 97 doesn't like righties as well lol

I like the looks of the APS UAR. I also like that it's ambidextrous. It's in my price range as well. Great suggestion. Apparently it has a v3 gearbox from an AK. As far as my limited knowledge goes a v3 box is good, is it not?

This may actually be the gun I go for, depending on if I want to buy new, or used after I become age verified.

V2 and V3 are good from the sense a lot of parts are around to fix/upgrade them.

I have a friend on our field with a Tar21 set up for left handed shooting, though I'm not aware of the brand.

Had an ares tar 21, (lots of issues) but switching to lefty is easy. trick is to use one of these, http://www.princessauto.com/pal/en/M...Tool/8262487.p or something similar to hold it in place from inside the grip while you unscrew and turn around the selector switch. the ejection port cover just pops out and back in on the other side. The cocking lever can be switched but I can't remember how easy/hard it is. I never bothered with the port cover or the cocking lever, just the switch so i wouldn't bump it with my hand.

Had a p90, and an aug as well. Best bull pup for me is the Magpul pts pdr.

Forgot the F2000 ;)

True that the F2000 is sweet, I have one though finding the right mid cap mags is a pain. If you do go with the UAR get the version 2 that is out in the US, now so should be hitting here soonish if not already. It has improved in the battery capacity and less finicky in mag compatibility

My new toy :)

Note - shit video but I made it so no one else had to scratch their head why their 'blowback was messed up' on their brand new gun. Everything works fine. I'm happy with it all in all.

http://youtu.be/t10HIfmAhuI

Having owned several bullpups over the years, I have owned a CA Aug A2, Echo1 P90 and a King Arms P90.

The aug has a great balance, and you are sure to be the only one on the field with one. Parts are fairly plentiful and the V3 gearbox means you have tonnes of upgrade potential.

My favorite was the king arms P90. With the quick change spring, fps changes were a breeze. Also, because of the quick change spring, breaking down the gearbox and reassembly is a breeze since there is no spring to fight.

Dying to get a p90, and I really want a modern AUG (nice Rail kit on it).

In the meantime I can only afford one new gun, and I've always wanted a tavor, mostly because of the ergonomics and weight balance as well as taking m4 mags, so I happily bought one as I know it won't be my last gun I add to the pile.

All in all I'm really happy with it.

Be careful of the UAR. From what I hear, low/mid caps don't fit it, and they only take hicaps (this may only be the case for the first version, unsure about the second version).

If you do decide to get it, make sure to ask about its mag compatibility.

I have a version two UAR, its was quite finicky with the mags i had, but there is a mod for the gun that allow it to take any mag.
Took ten seconds and it takes all brands of mags now.
The neat thing about the uar is there is a spring right above the mag port, so when you hit the eject button, the mags op out super nice

I contacted Toronto Airsoft, and the version they have up on the website is the older model, not the version two (which is the one I'd go for). I know of the mod, where you take a dremel and dremel down the inner part of the mag port. Shouldnt be too hard. It's my understanding that it takes M4 mags out of the box, though, which is great.

Any suggestions on proper optics and one-point sling mounts to go with this bad boy? Since there are no built-in optics I'd like to get something, same with a sling, though that's not completely necessary until I get myself a pistol.

Also, battery and charger suggestions? This gun only takes stick-type batts. It apparently doesn't fit a Tenergy 11.4V, which I've heard is a go-to battery.

Also, where does APS stand in terms of quality. I mean, I've looked up probably 7-10 text reviews and a couple of videos on the UAR, and most people seem to say the only real issues are the cheek rest is a little loose, the battery compartment is restrictive, and modification is needed to fit all mags. These three things I can work around and deal with... but how decent is APS's track record when it comes to longevity. I'd expect the version two to be alright, at least the gearbox is a V3.... am I correct?

I'd hold off on optics until you got a feel for the gun, I've recycled money through a couple now and I'm still not 100% convinced on my setup so my advice is run iron sights for a bit.

For charger I recommend the IMAX B6AC, will charge anything you need. I don't recommend an 11.1v lipo right out of the box on a lower-end gun as you'll put too much stress on the internals, 11.1v is good on higher-end setups that can take the additional abuse. 7.4v lipo should be fine.

As for the gun specifics can't give advice there...

Maybe I will do just that. Save myself some money up front and just go irons for the first while. Hell, I still need to get goggles, a mesh facemask (yes I'll be getting one, personal preference.... I like my teeth), the bbs and the batt and charger.

I've heard about the IMAX B6AC. Now, I know I'm not age-verified, so your response to this question may be limited... but can I find an IMAX B6AC charger and good batteries in the classifieds here?



One good thing about getting in to this sport is that I already have a full set of USA-army issue MARPAD-type pants and shirt, proper boots, and a modular tac vest with a pouch. I bought it for paintball (when I didn't even have a marker or plans for one, it was just to be used whenever I went out paintballing), on a whim, to look 1337 when I was younger and dropped about 150-200 on it. At least now I'll already have those parts to work with. :lol:

in gearbox configuration you're looking at manufacturing tolerance... in a worst case scenario if you needed to replace the whole gearbox shell, will any drop in fit? There's lots of stories of shit being off by fractions of a mm and making things really hard to fit together properly among other brands. Those are the absolute worst horror stories, spending weeks/months trying to track down why you're losing air or not feeding.


To a lesser extent, things like standard parts for v2/3 gearboxes fitting or not fitting. Some gearbox shells don't fit certain cylinder heads for example, or some reinforcement bit being too thick or thin for X part. In most cases these are things you can work around once you find out about them.

Nozzle length is usually the kicker, does it have a proprietary length or can you just drop any aftermarket ak or m4 or whatever nozzle in? does the stock nozzle have an o ring? If you can't replace it/upgrade it down the line it will be a pain in the ass to keep it running.

My next big dilemma is the colour of the gun to get. Comes in black and tan. My MARPAD outfit decidedly leans me more towards tan, but damn does the black look sexy.

Any thoughts?

I have pretty much had every type of bull pup and even created one... I am contemplating selling soon

Here are my opinions

-TM AUG - did not like the Aug Mags and the feel of it

-RS Type 97 - Awesome gun - scope sits a bit high so no cheek weld but you can make a cheek rest if inclined... I polar Stared mine now... but RS as an AEG is AWESOME 2 Ran mine with G&P 11.1 Lipo and was Great out of the box Heavy gun too

- TM P90 - Nice but Mags are a Pain in the Arse long don't fit mag pouches well bla bla bla. there is a kit for M4 Mags but you can only use high caps so meh...

- APS UAR - have that now and polar stared it Nice gun a bit aug like but not as long in the back and no crazy hang grip thing... all the mag releases are awesome... have to mod the gun a bit to accept mid and low caps though... easy to do takes 2 min with a dremmel and done...

- L85 - Nice gun BUT heavy as hell (don't go L86) no use it is a few inches longer inner but well no point in a box mag for bull pup unless you fire from the hip...
Nice trigger system (electronic no ark )

-Tavor - Nice gun but a bit large in the back. handle grip was a bit weird but all in all a good gun stock...

I built a bull pup out of a KC02... I modded the RJF ZK22 body for the KJW KC02 nice gun but may sell this one in a week or so just not getting use out of it now and I don't like wall hangers....

APS
 

BTW before I converted the UAR to P* I had it out at the lake and had a 11.1 Lipo in the AEG and well not much good came out of that once my cousins kids were target shooting on full auto..

the gears are all missing LOTS of teeth all manors of badness happen with 11.1 lipo and the stock UAR...

All manors...

P* its an awesome gun

Was this version 1 or version 2? Version two has a V3 gearbox with metal gears. I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume it was version one that had the polycarb gears, right?

Both are exactly the same, kinda

V2 has "enhanced" internals, but APS being APS, they suck. V1 had a poly piston and shody (metal) gears. V2 has a decent nylon piston and "better" gears, though they are sub-par with everything on the market. If you need replacement parts, the gun takes regular AK V3 everything aside from the right-side transfer plate.

Nozzle is a standard AK and hop-up is a copy of the ProWin AK. You can actually install a ProWin in case you need to replace it.

Outerbarrel is a M4-CQB 10" barrel. Any other M4 barrel will fit IF they are slim near the rear. Real barrels are not made like that but AEG's usually are slim under the handguard to fit batteries. In the APS UAR, the trigger and fire selector control rods take that space.

Battery space is not that bad. It fits any "mini" pack or LiPo that fit in the same space. Really easy to install too, there is a trap door at the front just over the barrel.

The gun is a PAIN to take apart however. I had to cut the barrel to be able to open one (the fire selector control rod was undone from factory).

Best "option" is to turn the plastic nut around the barrel 1/4 turn and pull is forward. Then follow the rest of the instructions from the manual.

The "modification" you have to do is cut the plastic in the mag well to clear the "bump" on top of M4 mags. The cutout is too small and the section that houses the latch/retainer on M4 mags does not fit. As other said, 2 minutes mod.

So would you recommend against this gun? You're information is the first real negative feedback I've read, and I've read 7 to 10 reviews as well as watched 3 review videos on it. Is it a good gun to start with, or should I be looking at something else, in your opinion?

I don't understand what you mean by p*. I searched the forums and couldn't find anything on it. Could you kindly elaborate?

Polarstar.

Here's some of my demo before I sold it.

Latest
Polarstar / P* Fusion Engine Demo with Speed Trig…: http://youtu.be/PqSilsDNfUY

Oldest

PolarStar Speed Trigger M4: http://youtu.be/miN39uip9MY

So basically it's a gas conversion from the AEG. I understand now. I read that running the 11.1v battery was too powerful for this gun. I'll probably rock an 8.4v if/when I get the gun. I think it will be an OK starter.

Hey DarkAura.
I think we share the same tastes in rifles :p.
For the FAMAS, there are Youtube videos out there that show you how to mod M4 mags to feed into the Famas. A FAMAS would be my first choice rifle, but I'm kind of hesitant about Cybergun.
The UAR, I've heard some good things about the rifle, but the company that makes them has a shaky reputation (A.P.S. = A Piece of Sh*t). I personally don't know, as I only own a JG G36C, but that's what reviews say.
A TAR would be awesome, but would require modding in order for it to have a long life. There's another thread dedicated to that here: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...t=91017&page=2
Anyways, let me know which one you choose (you seem to be leaning towards the UAR), but review and PICS please!
Many thanks.

Look what's at #1 for accuracy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASTwDoEHu4

I went down to Toronto Airsoft today and got to shoulder and fire the UAR. The body is solid without any creaking, very thick plastic/nylon/whatever. And damn is this thing accurate. On Semi I could hit all 5 of their 4 inch targets at 30 feet, without needing an added sighting mechanism (Red Dot, ACOG, what have you). It was a breeze. Very easy to point this thing. One thing that was brought to my attention was the long trigger pull compared to some other weapons. It didn't bother me while firing and was not noticeable. I think I will most definitely picking this up as my first weapon, and later on moving up to the G&G F2000.

The sales rep also mentioned that he's only had 4 of these guns come back in for repairs thus far, all of them with a different issue. Nothing consistently wrong.