Finally Green Mountain Rangers are banned
 

I have personally played against them, they are the worst team. They make fancy vidoes thats about it. no respect to the rules, or even Veterans at a recent OLMSS. avoid this team at all cost


From Lion claws and Blacksheep airsoft facebook pages

"Blacksheep MILSIM supports our fellow event producer Operation Lion Claws Military Simulation Series (OLCMSS) in the banning of Green Mountain Rangers. The ban of this team from all Operation Blacksheep events is changed from one year to a permanent ban with the same conditions outlined below. In a sport based on honor, this type of behavior will not be tolerated. Blacksheep6

The following is the statement from OLCMSS:

The Operation Lion Claws Military Simulation Series began as a way to honor our military and the sport of mil-sim airsoft. These values have remained paramount throughout our twelve year history. We expect that same respect to be shown by our players. Following the rules and playing with honor are the most important things our players do.

Unfortunately, we have a team that refuses to follow even the most basic rules and shows total disrespect for our VIPs, staff, and other players. This teams utter lack of respect towards our military personal and VIPs over the Memorial Day weekend Operations left us no other option but to ban them. We try to work with all of our teams and players. We do not ban teams from our operations without great debate and numerous attempts at intervention.

After repeated violations and warnings, the team known as The Green Mountain Rangers are banned from all OLCMSS functions. All players who have registered under that team name or are associated with them are banned from all OLCMSS functions. Any player who ends their association with said team may appeal to have their ban lifted and be moved to probationary status pending deliberations by our staff.

All other teams or individuals that wish to follow in the footsteps of the Green Mountain Rangers by disrespecting the rules, players, staff, VIPs, and themselves are given notice that we will not tolerate such behavior at our Operations.

Thank You,

Operations Lion Claws Military Simulation Series"

Wow, disrespecting veterans? That's screwed up.

Some context would help if you're gonna post this.

Well I am trying to find it on OLMSS web site, but there official facebook page of blacksheep and OLMSS has the same thing posted.

In 2012 I went to OP Blackseep at Ft Drum Mout facility. They were caught on helmet cams blatenly cheating not following rules, hit calling Force Recon attended this game aswell and they can verify. After that game blacksheep announced that they were banned for one year from his games. What i posted above happened over the week end at OP Lion Claws. I have found the official post from there web site.

http://www.oplionclaws.com/phpBB/vie...p?f=112&t=5343

hope this helps

It needs to be done, sometimes. However, I thought that group had some very well respected members.

They bitched out Danny McKnight.
...yeah, that one.

Was there a reason? Sometimes people just need to be bitched when it's approriate.

They claim to have respected players, really its just young guys and kids who think they are amazing from there video's they post.. If you ever go to a big game in the states and ask a team about GMR there response will most likely be negative

This was all that was released on reasons why.

"Unfortunately, we have a team that refuses to follow even the most basic rules and shows total disrespect for our VIPs, staff, and other players. This teams utter lack of respect towards our military personal and VIPs over the Memorial Day weekend Operations left us no other option but to ban them. We try to work with all of our teams and players. We do not ban teams from our operations without great debate and numerous attempts at intervention.

After repeated violations and warnings, the team known as The Green Mountain Rangers are banned from all OLCMSS functions. All players who have registered under that team name or are associated with them are banned from all OLCMSS functions. Any player who ends their association with said team may appeal to have their ban lifted and be moved to probationary status pending deliberations by our staff.

All other teams or individuals that wish to follow in the footsteps of the Green Mountain Rangers by disrespecting the rules, players, staff, VIPs, and themselves are given notice that we will not tolerate such behavior at our Operations."

World: "What's the diagnosis doc, what's wrong with me?"
Doctor: "Well, you see world, you have a cunt overgrowth, and its getting quite serious from the looks of things..."

Posted it to another thread, but its fitting here.

Ultimately some of these issues may only be related to a small set of individuals within GMR, however its up to the guys within GMR that are honorable to step up and stop the shit causing the bad reputation or leave the organization to protect their own.

This said, I don't know any of their members nor have I played with any of them. I have heard mixed things about them, and of course seen some of their videos containing some questionable things, but I guess this puts the icing on the cake for a lot of the shit-stories going around about them. Anyone in their ranks with a clue will vacate immediately and find another team to game with.

Its a shame, you would think that such a prolific team would keep discipline tight and control the level of fuckery afoot within their ranks.

Seems like a good guy... we need more info!

Why?

Green Mountain Rangers; aren't they the guys from youtube who had the door kicking purse fight?

Speaking for myself in regards to an incident that directly involved myself and another team mate at the time at Fort Drum, I believe OPP 5. One of the GMR guys attempted to fight me and another over some questionable non hit calling when they breached a room.

He took off his vest, gun etc and got in my face. Me being the smarter of the two, chose not to engage in a fist fight on a military installation and chose to get game control instead. They were later banned from Blacksheep Milsim games.

I respect their training and their hard work, however actions of few speak for the rest.

Can't say I'm not happy to see it happen. In the end it's better for all.

Train all you want, when you act like retards pretty soon you'll run out of places to put that training to use.

I had interactions with gmr as well last year at pine plains, personally I'm happy to see them go. Gear and YouTube videos don't make you good airsofters, honor and sportsmanship do, and gmr has neither.

I mean, unless you think squad leaders telling their guys who got hit to "don't worry about it, keep shooting", and guys yelling at the people hitting them "keep shooting me, waste your bbs" is the kind of behavior that benefits airsoft games...

All I can say is: Good riddance. Never played against them, but in almost every youtube video I find them in, they act like complete assholes. They seem to think that because they dump money into their gear and training, they can do whatever they want. Nice to see those silly children get what was coming.

GMR used to be a good crew. Then Ronin took over. While he's not a bad guy himself, the direction he's taking his team (they went from "let's be the best" to "win at any cost and post cool vids on youtube") creates a culture of cheaters and self-righteous asshats.

1000 times THIS.

Perhaps one of the more 'connected' players could contact someone who was at the site and they can clear a few questions.
This is a wake up call to many who have let themselves be strongly influenced by GMR. The team I play on had looked into the GMR and briefly took some training tips from youtube video, nothing wrong with it but once I had seen the game footage they put up of them breaking rules I took a step back. Needless to say, with the many options online to draw from we quickly stopped sourcing from them.
The small community I play in has had trouble with the 'win at all costs' mentality and my team is the first place I look to make sure no one is fuckin cheating!

Oh god, I fucking love dramasoft.

Short story (from people who were there/know them):
Most guys are alright, Ronin is a huge (insert insults here). Team was originally great, gradually some of the older members stopped playing or left the team and the only original remaining is Ronin. He has undoubtely one of the largest egos in US airsoft.

Also, from their Facebook page (below). Speaks volumes...
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...12345-gmr1.png

More here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Green...55657174497599

Cocaine shenanigans & tooth chipping were the two things I cant for the life of me understand. Anyone care to explain this?

1. Rumors of Ronin doing coke
2. Serious allegations of cheating chronies (swapping PTW cylinders after the chrony, stuff like this)
3. Rumors of Ronin having stabbed someone (for real) a while ago.

You forgot the Benchmade knife.


edit: Conker types too fast; ban for exceeding the type rate limit.

*confused* stabbed someone at a game?
Is this the ronin we had on these boards for quite some time? (cant seem to find him in the user cp)

mmmm, people suck - alex

Hgggnn I think I screen capped' it when it was posted by an (ex) friend, but IIRC it was a bar fight though he has supposedly threatened people IRL with his knife ingame.

We do have a Ronin on ASC (and a lot of variations on the name) and AFAIK no member of GMR are present on ASC, so don't go hassling innocent people or anything.

Yeah not the same Ronin.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/...77-capture.png

Googled GMR and there is one user on here from the team. However the post I found was from 2008.

Don't have any personal experiences with them but there has to be something very wrong with them if they have been banned from multiple US games.

I'm loving the #FreeGMR tags people have posted on their page. Sho shilly. =P

I'll admit, I had to post a troll, with some titty sprinkles. Never a good troll without them titty sprinkles.

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This pic someone posted to the GMR page made me tinkle in my computer chair a little.

Funny how they're fanning the flames instead of laying low..

There's a video on youtube of them saying they broke window at a event, and going out of bounds and not listening to the game control people. Even show how they were using dead players as human shields to clear a building on the staircases and that. -.-

I believe it's Ronan not "Ronin".

I can't say the first surprises me. He's pretty skinny and seems wirey.

The second one doesn't surprise me at all. These fukers did it all the time at Blacksheep games and I had the welts to prove it.

The third is kinda surprising though. Never heard it.

When we went to cove that's all a bunch of the Americans were saying was that "OMG GMR is banned from John Lu games" followed by a bunch of yay's and claps. They don't like them either :P

These guys aren't Canadian. Who gives a shit? Let their American brethren beat the shit out of them.

When they run out of fields in America to get banned from, where do you think they'll go to get their milsim fix that they so desperately crave? Not Mexico, that's for sure.

Some of us travel to the states and have played against them. If you have ever played against them you would understand the concern and happiness this thread brings :P

Doesn't the ASC hate machine work across borders? We have to contribute.

But seriously, I just heard of these assholes and I was pissed after McKnight. One does not simply insult Danny McKnight, or any member of the armed forces for that matter.

Add to the fact they're shitty airsofters, good riddance.

One does not simply insult anyone for no reason in a sport based on respect and honor ! :p

Well now that they're banned can we get back to normal and keep drama to the minimal?

I was skeptical on the accusation until I saw the facebook page, the accusations dug their grave, they buried themselves when they post the response on facebook.

BTW this was posted in their forum, IF you want the hate machine, here's a target.

Like the meme says: If you tell the Colonel to fuck off, you're gooonna have a baaad tiiime.

I saw that "Lil' Ron" rap video too, priceless.. "Snort blow... Snort blow, snort blow, snort blow..."

You know, reading these comments about GMR, they sound a LOT like a certain team we have in Canada.....
That started out good....then good really good gear, and REALLY full of themselves...
Ran up a bad rep for themselves; tooth chipping, fight starting, not hit calling, chrono cheating, apparently their leader is a huge douche as well.

But you know what REALLY grinds my gears, is they have the gaul to swap cylinders after chrono, but not the intelligence to put the M150 spring into a blue cylinder. FAIL.

Good riddance to bad teams.
Defenders say people don't like their seriousness, level of training, commitment, gear?
Black devils, Ronin, team swatt, the fReAkS, all VERY serious about winning, all very well trained for airsofters (some of them are vets), all committed to the game, some have better gear than the canadian military, not one of them has a huge stick up their ass. You can be really good at airsoft AND a decent person lol

I'm going to chirp in here. I have been to many events that GMR attended and @ every game there was footage of them cheating and rule breaking. blacksheep games as well as lion Claw games. and these guys are bad news all around. all in all you do not disrespect game staff @ all this is a game of honour. Second of all have respect for the men and women who have or are providing us the freedom we have. there will be a discussion on this week in airsoft this weekend on the situation. http://thisweekinairsoft.com/ if you are intersted on listening to it.

couldn't of happened to a better group of guys..

reading over their facebook page, it's clear they are run by kid's who think they are gangsters.
Sometimes groups get to big for themselves, the leaders retire or leave and than you have to many retard's in charge. It's happened here.

I honestly don't understand how some individuals get any sense of accomplishment by cheating...boggles my mind. Glad to see cheaters and disrespectful people getting what they deserve.

3 Major event organizers now.

search "green mountain rangers" on youtube
second option that comes up, haven't seen any videos of them not calling hit, but lots of them breaking field rules

Anyway, found this on the google machine

http://www.airsoftnj.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=30075

gleaned this from another site discussing the ban:

If you're gonna fuck up, might as well go big

I think they have been playing Navy Seal too toooo long and think they can act like them. Now that they are permabanned from all the major organisers events then can sit in their club house and reflect on their actions. Unless they are happy sitting in mommies basement playing dress up and bashing everyone on FB.

I don't know how much bigger you can get by telling off Col. McKnight.

Curious about the topic of this thread, I did a little searching on FB and Youtube. A few guys called their hits going up that staircase but their dead intentionally stood in the way providing cover for advancing live forces to continue up those stairs...I'm sure I saw a few hits not getting called there too.
I'm assuming on FB that Ronin is the one responding as GMR on their Facebook page? Yeah, some gangster wannabe. I couldn't bring myself to troll there.
I also wonder how much farther this ban will spread. I doubt they'll go north of the boarder and there are tons of places they can go outside of the east coast.

Wow....now THAT is the way to go out.

What do you think this team will do now? Isn't this kind of pointless? They now have all kinds of a gear, a supposed team and nowhere (nobody) to play against. They are carrying such a big name and loud voice, its impossible for them to just magically appear at a field or venue.

Kind of like that wacked rogue Asian team that's made its way around the GTA.

So messed up.


Oh well...life goes on.

I'm just surprised it took this long.

Well for the record we have had 3 runs in with these guys...1rst time Ronin wanted to fight Krusty at OP PINES PLAIN in 2009...they were reported to range control...it was looked after.

The next one was the event Reignman describe, one of them called one off our Team members at that time, "Old man I hope you fucking die of a heart attack", I have to admit we were able to keep Armed Infidel under wraps sort of speak...then another wanted to fight with Reignman...we breached a room took it dominated and they wouldn t call their hits or leave as honorable players by going outside and coming in shooting without a bandage on them...on the field we have beat them...I find only at night they become a cheating fucking nuissance.

Last year we went and didn't have a problem with them, they called their hits especially when Redneck fucked them up...I was advised by Major John Buccuirelli at OP COVE 2that the GMR was cautioned and if any complaints was to arise or safety violated they would be gone. They hung themselves literally.

Our team has never given ground to them if they were cheating, we never let them ruin our game. That is why there Range Control and Staff are at these games/OPS. You have to be smart about it and reasonable. It is a shame some teams have "Quit" at games because of them...there are other avenues of recourse.

Personally I couldn't care less what happens to them, but they have shut themselves out of alot of USA NATIONAL GAMES!

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I laugh my ass off at this this really. I played Rugby for Toronto Scottish for 7+ years and in another league prior to that.

That game DID have direct physical contact as you can imagine and I can assure you there were more than the after whistle push.

But let me tell you. How did a referee with a whistle control 30 guys? All who were ready to kill each other?

A lifetime ban. Yeeeep... It was swift and brutal. You could have spent your entire winter training for a season, and often with guys who are training to play for Canada once every FOUR years -in world cup. All gone in one bad move.

Could all 30 of us killed each other? You bet your ass. They didn't make us get on or knees and check each cleat for burrs for shits and giggles. But not one would push that button with the game stopped.

You pull that, polaroid picture of you is tossed up on the wall and you are ban-oh-rama.

I don't know where these ass hats got this concept. Especially as this is not real and we are not even coming in physical contact with each other.

But meh... I guess it happens in lots of other places.

Either way, they are toast, and all the work and effort is now wasted.


I hear Paintball is quite entertaining now.


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Oh and one final note. You ABSOLUTLEY had to drink with the other team after. Odd. I recall being knocked unconscious by a guy who bought me a pitcher.

But really it was the hospital pass from my own guy who did that.

The point is move on. All is fare in the game.

These guys are not playing by the rules. There is no pistol whipping a guy in airsoft. They are simply a misguided group who have lost purpose and have gone off the deep end.

The onll thing I remember from a video of theirs I watched was the fact they carry 15-20 grenades each on their back. I thought I was all badass running my 2 but could you imagine the nade spamming? They must have been dropping them into the other teams spawn all day. Not calling hits etc

I know some good guys that carry 8-10 frags on them. Of course they don't use them over a 2 hour scrim, its for a 24hr op lol

Lol, wait. Seriously. 15-20?

Last I checked their Bangers Holsters carry 2 each, and they each carry two holsters. That math is pretty easy.

I've had the ability to get to know a lot of the GMR guys, past and present. Lots are good guys away form the game. It is unfortunate that they have become very hot headed, and let that get in the way of just having a fun time.

That's pretty normal for real life. At least when it comes to Russian forces. Smersh or 6Sh92 rigs have 10 pouches for 40mm grenades (700-800g a piece) that sit on your ass, kind of like a lobster tail, or on the belt in front. Plus 4 frags(600-700g a piece) on the main rig in front. People who don't have a VOG, pack regular frags instead, 4-6 in front, rest in the backpack with a box of detonators packed separately. So having 15-20 grenades is pretty common for a longer run :)

I go with at least 9 40mm (8 in a dropleg and 1 in the breech) and 6 tornados myself. And a claymore mine or two. It's not unheard of.

Back on topic:

A bunch of airsofters disrespecting Danny McKnight deserve all the horrible things they get. I hope they enjoy laser tag.

Not just airsofters... It sounds like something a liberal would do :) On a serious note. I'm not a huge fan of US in particular but disrespecting any veteran who fought for his/her country is something out of this world...

hahahaha
 

I love it!

Smaller is better
 

I agree. Keeping teams small has its benefits.

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Shooting at a kid till he cries, real class act!

No need to mess around... :) Someone has to bend over.... It'll be fun.

Ya the video is here: Green Mountain Rangers : an Airsoft Video - YouTube

Aparently they were banned for doing a bunch of stupid shit like jumping roofs, repelling down elevator shafts, breaking windows ect....kind of a long video, they explain the reasons why they were banned right in the first few min :popcorn: Not sure if this is the same Banning we are talking about, but Ronin says that they were "banned" for doing a bunch of things over a long period, at multiple games

The video you're referring to is them talking about when they got banned from Op Pine Plains a few years back. That was the video that I was kinda like "Hmm.. Maybe these guys are the cunts people seem to think they are..". There's also a portion in the video where they rush into a couple large rooms, lots of gun fire, and then one of the people in the rooms starts yelling at Ronin saying "Call your hits, fucking faggots..". Again, some questionable stuff that made me reconsider my opinions regarding them.

Watching a video badly edited by them really isn't enough to inspire pity from me personally.

I've been watching 10min and already seen some of them not call a hit, or take a while to call it. And that's just the ones that were obvious
9:49 gets hit returning fire through a window
ricochet at 15:50 during his super serious interview lol
16:46 gets hit in the side in CQB
17:28, another side shot in CQB, although it looked like it MAY have just missed infront of him
aaaand I've had enough lol

Thank fuck.

Hahaha. The first one is barely even visible, hard to tell.
15:50 looked like dust

Inside the Strikeforce area they're shooting metal plates... No one is returning fire. :P

FF then lol

Was hard to tell in the first stairwell engagement, heard lots of ricochets on the stairwell guards though

To their defense: Video is poor representation of noncalling of hits. With the amount of gear on, it can be hard/impossible to feel hits, and in a firefight, harder still to hear the hits.

This is the #1 reason I don't advocate plates or plate carriers in game.

So much of this shit happens it isn't funny.

True, but how are people supposed to look Operator As F**k without wearing PCs?

The video is from Dec 2012, obviously not related to the current ban which just got announced.





That's complete BS used as a lame excuse by people who get caught not calling hits: we run all kinds of gear and plates and you can feel the BB plink against it, and you can usually hear it too. Soft crap (closed cell foam stuff) is a lot worse because that does absorb impact.

Agreed, it's a slippery slope; but in all honesty the things should be banned in milsim. In fact, why stop there, put mags in the pockets. Fuck it. Shirts must be removed.

Yeah, in 7 years I've seen more people not call hits (unintentionally) from getting hit in the arms while running than from plate carriers.
You usually don't feel BB hits from vests either depending on the thickness of the vest. And every LBV needs pouches lol

It's not like we're running around with DAPS and bomb disposal suits. The plate carrier is probably the most common LBV in airsoft these days, if it was a problem we'd know lol

Regardless of whatever evidence the video may or may not have, it's an operator problem, not a gear problem

Now we're going to have to re-watch all the episodes of "The Unit". Bring your snuggie over and we'll start tonight. I am not sharing mine again thank you.

Besides, we're not talking about iffy long range hits they might not have felt. We're talking about 400fps with .25's, within 10-20 feet. Amount of gear at that point is no excuse. If you can't feel it (you can), you're definitely going to hear it, you're almost certainly going to see it.

Play Against them
 

Play against them and you will beg to differ on their antics

The only answer is MOPP 4

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From the moment you arrive until the moment game ends, you will not take the suit off, unless entering a "safe" zone, but this will require decontamination procedures.

That sounds like a fun thing for us to do lol

Aaaaaand....American MilSim has also enforced the ban. The GMR are pretty well banned from everything MilSim in the states.

I'm not disagreeing with first hand knowledge, the remark was aimed towards the hate train.

i can't recall how many times i've stopped at full run because i heard a bb hit my plate carrier`. i have video evidence of me doing just that. i have however apparently been hit in the arms/legs and not felt it.

if you wear one all the time you know the sound from over a hundred feet away

I play with full kevlar and plates. Never did I not feel or hear a hit.
Maybe if moving in wooded erea and someone shoot my backpack...

In CQB like they where in... it's all douchebagry on their part!

I read a lot on them in the past houres. They where a team of douchebags. That alone is ban worthy.

Agreed. The video is too shitty to make a definitive call on non-called hits, but the one thing that stands out is that they're fucking assholes.

A team is only as good as their leader

Yup!

Right at 1m22s of the vid: "We'll keep a slow pace, try to keep up with the command net. They're idiots so it's gonna be you know pretty much no help."

Pretty much says everything of that team.

Douchabag leader makes for a douchebag team.

I dunno whom the commanders were so I can't say if the idiot comment was warranted or not :P

But listening to the general narration of the guys in the video and their overall attitude, screams assholes. A perfect example is the broken window: they complain they were rebuked for breaking a window in a building scheduled to be demolished; so basically they decided to ignore the rules and do what they want because they felt the situation allowed them to. That's the bottom line right there.

The well of Haterade runs cold and deep mmm mmm mmm drink up.

I always say: If you think you can do the job better then do it or stop complaining and follow orders.

Just because I don't want to be a trash collector doesn't mean I can't identify that the garbageman spilling trash onto the street and forgetting to pick up some of the bags is doing a bad job.

Or more to the point, I'm neither a car designer nor an automotive engineer but I can tell a shitty car when I drive one. "Shut up and drive it anyway" is a terribly anti-progressive attitude. Specially for something you're paying for.

So point in case, its possible the leadership did suck, and he's entitled to express his opinion if it did. Its also possible the GMR guy was just being a dickhead. But the topic at hand isn't the leadership at whatever event that video was taken: its that their [GMR's] general attitude is asshole-ish.

there's more and more accounts of this past weekend's game where gmr was off doing stupid shit that they weren't supposed to be doing, IE clearing buildings already cleared and known to be cleared outside the area of operation to make themselves look cool, and when asked to rejoin the rest of the force, the command staff were told to fuck off. In this case, it was Col McKnight they told basically to shove it.

Also from this game were accounts from players that none of the gmr players were calling hits when they breached rooms. Not calling something in the heat of a moment is one thing, to consistently do it game after game and have multiple players from all over the US say they're not calling hits is more than just coincidence.

Not to mention personal accounts of people here of gmr players being asshats at previous games.

A Team is only as strong as its weakest member.

And they will get the leadership they deserve.

Too good to fail is not a unique to airsoft malady.

But if you add that remark in the video to the accounts that they told command and futher on Mcknight himself to fuck off...That pretty much covers their ego...