Ultimate Bullpup Airsoft gun ??
 

Hello, Im looking to replace my G36c with something a Bullpup gun, so what would you recomend me to get ? Which ones to stay away from? common problems?....etc

So far my list goes this is my list, in order of what looks nicer to me:

1. Ares Tavor: Sexy looking, feels nice.

2. RS Type97: real steel heritage, RS awesomess.

3. CA Steyr AUG

4. CA P90

5 ICS L85


Thanks.

PD: If you have any of these for trade or for sale pm me.

all of them have a real steel heritage.
the 97 has an od as hell mag release
and the aug along with p90 have their own mag system. and pouches are odd. the p90 being long and the aug being odd shaped.

I'd personally go with the tavor or l85. especially if you play with a group of people who mainly run AR platforms, mag cross compatibility.

I've used both a CA AUG and a TAR 21

The AUG was the more comfortable of the two, and the lack of selector switch is really handy for those "oh shit" moments, just squeeze the trigger hard and you're good to go.
The downside is the magazines are kind of chunky, and the little lip on them that catches the magwell of the gun likes to get caught on some mag pouches.

The Tavor shot really well, however the ironsights on it are absolute shit, and the mag release is pretty much in the worst spot it could be. the way you hold the gun, the forarm on your trigger hand arm CONSTANTLY hits it, causing your mag to fall out. It was ungameably bad for me. Both games i brought it to, I traded guns with someone for the day, the response was always the same.

"Oh sweet, hell yeah we can trade" ....5 hours later "fuck this thing, I hate it".

Hrm well I have a Tm p90 and its pretty comfortable, i like how the top rail is a bit raised so even with a full mask on i can still use the sights

i am getting an L85 shortly and honestly what ritz said is true, the L85 is great because so many people out there run AR platforms so you can mag swap with your teammates easily enough if one of them is low

Don't forget about the F2000

I suggest either the F2000, Tavor, or Aug as all are very easy guns to use and get use to over time, atleast IMO.

I don't suggest P90's unless your a big fan of it. Same goes with the Type 97's and L85's.

eh ive tried the fn 2000 and considering i love the p90 its really odd that i hate the fn2000

i find it kinda unwieldly, and think it looks like the bastard child of a mon calamari star cruiser, just without shields and fighter bays

1. Ares Tavor: Mag catch sucks, see Spike's post

2. RS Type97: Awesome, buy custom batteries. It is a bit back heavy (97b)

3. CA Steyr AUG Good gun, Lack of rails.

4. CA P90 Good gun, mags are very large

5 ICS L85, no exp on this one.


Given the choice I would either go with a AUG or a 97b/97

That Tavor...I had it ! Loved it..I still love it but I traded it for a gbbr but anyway.

Point is that it is a FANTASTIC rifle, accurate with a good effective range and good looking.
The only thing I would have done would have be to swap the mag release spring for a stiffer one so you won't lose your mags :p

You can remove the mag release lever on the ARES. Then to release the mag just stick your finger in and hit the smaller lever inside.

Speaking to them at shot they said the new versions will have a stiffer spring.

For me it will alway be the AUG. You can switch the barrel assemble in 15 seconds, I have 3 complete assemblies (14.5" CQB, 18" standard & a 24" HBAR) and if you can find one, there's also a 16" carbine. It's ballanced well and is easy to keep shouldered with one hand while climbing obstacles, through windows or opening doors. It points very naturally and has good range & accuracy. If you are rail happy there are plenty of rail kits for it but they do add weight to the front and mess up the ballance, but personally I don't need all that poo on the front of my gun anyways. If you get the railed receiver you can mount whatever optics you want on it. The AUG is by far the most versatile and comfortable & I've personally never had a problem with mags "snagging" in pouches.

Tavor. Only issue i had was. Mag release was in bad spot. Easily tripped. Very sensitive drop mags. In grass while running and you will never find em


Fix. Velcro in magwell. All good


Tavor. Buttstock. A bit too big wide wise. Was awlward



Sold the tavor.



Ics l85 early ver. Of the a2. Sucked. Inner barrel sucked. And was cheap

Now new ver is good.


Still need to swap out piston asap as the included pistoN is poop

still love my l85. Best gun.

I have been using a RS 97B for a year and am never going back to anything else. It is now my main inside and outdoor gun. The fact that it's spring can be switched in less then 3-4 minutes is just too awesome.

Two things to know :

1. if you are right handed you might dislike the mag release system. It requires some getting used to.

2. the custom battery available is a BITCH to install and is from low to average quality. I am switching to lipo just for that reason.

Only problem I had with the gun is that I had to change the hop-up rubber because the stock rubber was worn.

BTW I had the p90 CA

I didn't have time to abuse it...but I know some people that did....bad thing to do ! not very reliable

I think the l85's mag release is awful. You have you take you hands off the gun to release it and you can only hit it with your left hand.

That's if you're a right hand shooter, it's even worse if you're a lefty

The best Bulpups, for me, are either the P90 or the F2000
(I know, I'm a FNH fan !)

They are both extremely ambidextrous, have great accuracy and they are soooooooooo comfortable ! Also, the P90 is perfect for CQC !!
Yes, the P90's mags are kinda long, but you can still get UMP pouches, but please, don't use the damn m4 mag adaptor for P90, this thing looks so ugly !!!

I've only had experience with a couple bullpups, being the aug and f2000. The F2000 is really ergonomic, and very user friendly controls. Not to mention its easy as hell to break down and change the spring. And the G&G F2000 was an absolute beast to shoot btw.

For me the L85 as a lefty is perfect

I shoulder it on the left then left hand on the trigger
for mag release I put the right hand index finger on the mag release so the back of my right hand and the side of my left thumb touch then press the mag release with the right hand
draw the mag out and put it in the pouch on my right side
then pull another mag out of the LBV and put it in the well and go
never removing my finger off the trigger or eye off the target

Tavor I hated the release on that

I don't have experience with most of the other guns.
But I have used the AUG and I own 5 P90's.

I pretty much only play with my P90's. They are light weight. The mags are long, but i use P90 mag pouches inverted so they just fall out when i unclip the pouch so that solves that problem. The accuracy is steller at long range and in CQB, it is superb.

I dont have enough good things to say about the P90. Some people might say its too small, btu Im 6'1" and The gun fits great in my hands!

Good luck with making your decision. Seems like a few good guns in the mix.
kevin

Wow, thanks for everyone for the great feedback. P90s seem tempting but the Tavor and the Type 97 are still in the lead in my top 5. Btw I already had the chance to hold The TR 21 and... yeah I accidentaly pushed the mag release.. then, bang.... mag on the floor lol.
Anyway, I have a question for you guys who have used both the Tavor and the Type 97, How do would you compare the quality of the polymer used in both guns ?

ARES makes good stuff, but real sword guns are above and beyond ARES.

Polymer wise they are on the same level as their real steel counter parts, but real sword has better metal.

(I have owned a tavor (tan) and I now own a 97b.)

only owned the TAVOR...that thing feels indestructible...trust me ;)

I was going to get a Tavor at one point but I couldn't stand the overly sensitive mag release. u can practically sneeze on it and it'll depress.

thats why you just have to swap the spring...put one stiffer just like the real steel and your in business !

My L85 G&G was a pain in the butt, then the piston broke (couldn't find another one that works yet - finally got one but it is metal and jams all the time). G&GF2000 a lot nicer IMHO - I really like the one I have. I vote for the G&G F2000.

You only need to use your brain to make the type 97 mag release work, I 'll soon post a thread about how to modify your type 97/97b and make the tactical mag change possible, soon as I get my real steel 97 RIS system.

Tavor and 97/97b are not on the same level.

There was a vid somewhere on You Tube about a Tavor and a guy took a hammer and bashed it a few times and the polymer body held

the Tavor body is THICK and I mean Thick...

issue with the tavor is (besides the ones listed)

to do any work on it (other then a spring swap) you pretty much have to disassemble the entire gun..

the Mech does not come out unless you pretty much take out every fricken screw on the gun...

Sights are Useless
Rear Sight and housing should be dremeled off.. they suck period

Sling for it.... well you will have to buy the sling they use for Real Steel Tavor's


Never used a 97 but would like to get one...


My faves

1. L85 - current gun
2. Aug
3. Probably 97
4. Tavor.

I have the AUG and the F2000. Personally, I think the AUG is the best gun/bullpup. You can fix the lack of rails with either an AUG A2 or even an A3 if you want to go all the way. I had an AUG A1 before, didn't like it because of the intergraded scope is too small. You lose all SA when looking down the scope. Though I can't say anything for the TM or JG AUG as I've only ever used a CA. The A2 is nicer, in the fact it's the exact same except there's a rail on top. This rail isn't a standard MIL-SPEC-1913 rail. Same shape but the groove dimensions are in a gradient (again I've only used a CA so can't say much for a TM or JG). However the Action Ras kit will turn you A2 into an A3 which does have a standard MIL-SPEC-1913 rail on top, bottom and, sides. The mags are different, but personally I like them more than a M4/16 mag. I've never had any problems with them mechanically and physically fitting into pouches. As for the F2000, if you like the P90, you should like the F2000. Pretty much the same gun, the mech box is easy to take out but seems retarded the first time you see/do it. Take out the mech box plate and smack the stock into your hand or something. My F2000 is the G&G G2010. Just the normal short barrel without the "Hunter Scope" (which IMO is exactly the same as the AUG A1 scope). The F2000 is pretty nice as well. The trigger is similar to the AUG, with the fact of being a selector switch. First detent is semi, second detent is full. Except if you select semi on the selector it stops you from going into the second detent. Mags for that can only be G&G mags unless you cut or file off part of a lip on the other brand name mags. In order to mount a sling on the F2000 you need to buy or make a special strap that goes in and around the stock, kind of dumb since I didn't get one in the box. My favorite part of the F2000 is that it takes 2 minutes to change a spring. You screw out the old one from the back and slide in the new one. Getting to the entire mech box is a nightmare as you have to completely take apart the gun. Well hope this helps.

Any particular reasons to say that ? :D

one is built by a toy factory with toy material, the other is build by an ex-armoury with real steel material

have you ever held a ARES TAR21 ??? those feel indestructible

and in the end they are.... toys...

lulz, So your saying that your opinion is completely unbiased.

you are right, thats how my type 97b's piston broke under-20 degree, coz they are toys.

and you think I am not unbiased, aren't you? well, I guess time will prove it.

in the end you are using these toys to shoot at eachother and play soldier. sorry to say but thats it.

@op i'd suggest attending some games and asking to handle some of the guns your looking at. personally i'd go with a tavor, l85, or type97 because of the armalite mags and interchangeability, also pouches are easy so are vests.

Opinions are opinions, lets not ruin this thread kids.

SuperCriollo needs help into the Bullpup family so lets give him what he is asking for. I don't want to see another AR or AK on the field next time I play with him ;)

well as i said it pretty much boils down to personal preferance, the l85 in my opinion was ass heavy but comfortable and pointable. the tavor was solid and light but the irons are crap and mag catch is a slight issue though its good for both handed shooters. the 97 is a great solid performer nearly indestructible but i found the mag catch a pain in the arse, the f2000 is nice, but being forced to use G&G mid caps because of the gearbox and body shape put me off.

I've held a Tavor myself, they are beautiful no doubt. however, you wanna get maximum realistic to their real steel model, real sword is certainly superior. The lower, upper,trigger group,front sight group and stock are interchangeable with their real steel model, not modification needed.`

The weight is nice too

I take it you came to this conclusion because you fired both the real steel versions?

Not sure if anyone's posted this, But it might help you decide.


Also, it's pretty funny at points.

YouTube - Redwolf Airsoft - Battle of the Bullpups - part 1

not by me, but my friends.

This was taken when they are testing the RIS system for type95/97.
http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/e...e82d8fe5b8.jpg
http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/e...2bcaad3114.jpg
in the first pic, its a RS TYPE 97 lower on a real steel type95, 2nd pic is a RS type 97 with a real steel type 95 lower, on the right.

the upper and other parts are interchangeable as he told me.

Pretty much sums up my opinion on every bullpup mentioned

on a note about the M4 mags for any bullpups, with a modification the the magazine, virtually any mag will work for the F2000, Tavor, 97, etc.

okay, thought you were sayin' the TAVOR was shit :p

problem is...when you buy a new gun you don't want to mod mags...thats just a pain in the ass

so what do you suggest here, walmart clear body cheapo? the more realistic the better, u understand, right?

Ok in that case I'd perfer the toy that won't break if I abuse/drop it.

I'm unbias, I've owned and worked on both.

What Wingmantank is saying is 100% true.

The TS Type 97 are made out of the same polymer that the real T97 is.

The ARES Tavor is not.

I'll be perfectly honest, The Ares feels like a cheap toy when compared to the T97 :)

I ran an ICS L85A2 for a bit of the summer season here in Michigan.

The ICS L85A2 has pretty decent balance, but is still relatively heavy. The bullpup balance makes it easy so shoot with the off-hand, or simply one-handed.

I found that the rifle was great for when I was "on the move," but it was hard to manage from the prone position. This could just have been me. Reloading in the prone is terrible, I often found that I had to roll onto my side just to get at the magazine and pull it clear. The gun did feed from all of the magazines I own (MAG brand, ICS high-caps, crappy China made high-caps, STAR, etc).

Magazine changes are not as fast as an armalite or similar, but easier with practice. The controls are not very well set-up and the magazine release is awkwardly placed.

These are inherent "problems" with the design of the real steel weapon.

The ICS internal design is great, however. Easy gearbox to work on, quick change spring feature. Has a nice, crisp trigger pull due to the way the trigger mechanism is designed. The plastic are nice and heavy duty. Compared to a G&G, the ICS feels a lot more like a real weapon and less like a toy. I have been told that the STAR/ARES version is cosmetically better, but would bet that the ICS is more "user friendly" just based on the way it is designed.

This discussion on Arnie's shows how the different L85s on the market break down and pretty much demonstrates how much better designed the ICS version is in that regard.

Some more discussions of different brands:

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...69790&hl=L85A2

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...64801&hl=L85A2

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/forum...65773&hl=L85A2




RE: other rifles -

I owned a P90 for a while, but just couldn't get over how plasticy and lightweight they feel. The magazines are a pain to carry around, in my opinion.

The F2000 or AUG would probably be my choice if I was planning to buy another bull-pup. G&G F2000, however, can only take high capacity STANAG magazines stock, if I recall correctly. Mid-caps have to be modded to fit. Unfortunately, no one in China has figured out that an AUG that takes STANAG magazines (MSAR) would be a best seller...

I have only held a Tavor once and it left a good impress. Having read up on them, however, I have seen far to many people complaining of various problems. Seems like a gun that you really, really must want to own in order to make the investment necessary to get it running 100%.

That's what is so appealing of the RS Type 97. The realism and the quality seems to be fantastic. However from the guns listed, the Type 97 is the only one that I havent held so I wouldn't know if I like it until I try it. The only problem is that to be honest the looks of the Type 97 doesn't really turn me on. The Type 97b looks nicer IMO, but stillnot as sexy as the Tavor, and the flash hider is just.. hmmm.... lets say.. visually unpleasant.


Thanks.

97s do have thread barrel so you can swap the flash hider out.

If the Tavor is your thing, don't worry about all the negative opinions about the gun. Sure it isn't made of the real steel material but then again, even some of the other top notch guns on the market aren't either.

give me 2 weeks, I 'll post some pics of my 97 with real steel RIS, I only hope the chinese custom won't seize my RIS...

I'm happy my old baby is in such caring hands :)

Ares tavor
 

I recently bought a tavor, and it feels great. Altough the trigger can stop working on semi-auto sometimes, it's a really great gun.

BTW, the mag release isn't really a problem if you have small hands.

Alright guys, after six month I finally made up my mind LOL I got a sexy RS Type 97b. Thanks to everyone for all your usefull advices.

This is not... exactly the best way to get to the gearbox... you unscrew the 4 rearmost screws, then the gearbox will slide out.

Anyways, the G&G F2000 is definitely my favorite bullpup, but I've only handled a tm famas, an ares tavor, and my F2000.

Oh dear I was considering the tar21 as my next gun too :( Gun feels solid yet light and seemed like a perfect next aeg.

Is there any way to improve the release? perhaps a stiffer spring? Seems like a huge design flaw with the real steel as well o.o

Yes. You can and should install a stiffer spring. That way moderate breezes don't accidentally depress the release.

You could also try cutting some of it off so it doesn't stick out so much. But I agree the spring is a better idea, you still have more release sticking out for easier mag changes.

I'm not a huge fan of bullpups, even though I appreciate their benefits (long ass barren in a very short gun). For having tried one, I hate changing mags on those. I tried the L85 and I really didn't like the feel of it. I do like the looks of the AUG and P90 though, but again, I don't like changing mags on those, especially a P90.

I like Bullpups sniper rifles though. I don't know if they have some for airsoft... You don't have to change mags as quickly on a sniper, and it give you a LOOOOOOOONG barrel.

P90 or F2000 ! There is no other choice lol ; )

What about the FA-MAS? ( with Stanag Mag mod too)

it's not "ultimate"

realswords new sniper rifle looks really tempting....wish I knew the specs on it

Really? Absolutely? Definitively?

honestly for simple ease of use, parts and having something quirky and fun that still has gear that can be built into a realistic loadout I would go sa80.

BTW anyone knows how to remove the flash hider of the T97B. It orange, and seems to be glued on because is freaking impossible to take out. I already tried hot water, and it didnt work. Any advice ?

If they ever release it. It's been 5 years since the first post I saw on it.. and every year they say, "this year we will release it in Q4". I'm only hoping they're waiting with it so they can implement the electromagnetic (or whatever the heck they call it) system on it like they're doing with the M4.

My T97 had the Orange FH on it and it was plastic. I had to use a wrench and jiggle it

it was on super tight and I think they used locktight on it too... once off I cleaned the threads and then oiled them then the metal FH went on smooth

T97 and T97B's FH are different, and how you take them off are different too. For T97B you need to push down a small steel level near the FH, and then you take the FH off. the level is 'L' shape with a spring in it, check around your muzzle, it's not hard to find.


Tank

Well mine came with a metal flash hider. Sadly the orange part is the trumpet, not the metal ring around it. I can take the ring easily, but the rest is freaking impossible.

Hmmm...

perhaps it is painted... if that is the case perhaps some Circa 1948 or other spray on remover.

I used the circa stuff to strip a whole bike... just brushed it on... left it for 2 hours came back and basically wiped off the paint with a cloth..

no sanding nothing...

they have a spray now with the same stuff at Home Depot.

Alright, I also tried to change the inner barrel and the hop up unit seems to be glued to the reciever aswell.... FUCK

has anyone experienced this problem. I really want to put a tb barrel in it, but the freaking hop up unit doesnt move at all. And yes I removed the 2 screws that attach it to the body.

What should I do ?

Anybody remember the TM Famas lol
I have the tavor, it shoots fantastic but as mentioned before the mag release is very inconvenient. When it comes to money the rs 97 is very expensive and I dont see the value. The ares tavor is 600 me thinks. great gun but still expensive. You can get a great p90 or aug for around 350-400$. I like the L85 a lot but I dont know the price range on them.